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Elena Mara
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 Posted: Sat Jun 25th, 2011 10:31 am
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Dear Dr. Deb, Dear all,
After a heavy Laminitis/Founder, my horse now is losing her frogs. Is this a normal reaction, e.g. because the hoofs are renewing themselves, or is something completely wrong?
My mare is barefoot and has never worn iron shoes.
She doesn't show any signs of pain; nor while putting pressure on any part of her crowns and hoofs, nor while walking and running. She is basicallly more active than she has been for a long time.
Thanks in advance for your replies!
Best wishes,
Elena

Last edited on Sat Jun 25th, 2011 10:43 am by Elena Mara

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 Posted: Sat Jun 25th, 2011 08:24 pm
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Elena, any horse might shed the frog as an entire piece at this time of year (assuming you live in the northern hemisphere). When the weather turns from wetter to drier it is especially liable to occur.

The frog actually sheds all the time -- in little bits or flakes -- just like all the keratinized parts of the foot. The farrier also trims off some of the frog each time he or she sees the horse. The driest and deadest material, and anything loose, should certainly be removed with each trim. Failure to remove enough dead or "junk" material can certainly make the horse lame.

It is alarming, however, the first time an owner notices the whole frog shedding off at once, because it can look like their whole foot is falling apart. But this is completely normal -- just the horse's body telling you that you might not be taking off quite enough during your trims, or, as I said, it's the frog drying out some with weather change, and then coming loose all of a piece.

Shedding of the frog isn't specially related to laminitis or to the recovery from laminitis. -- Dr. Deb

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 Posted: Sat Jun 25th, 2011 10:30 pm
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Dear Dr. Deb,

Thank you so very much for your answer; to be honest I was so terribly worried!
I thought I had done something wrong.

Many thanks again for all your help and valuable advice!

With kindest regards,

Elena

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 Posted: Sat Feb 11th, 2012 01:54 pm
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Dear Dr. Deb,

Since about two weeks it is extremely cold in Holland; colder than it has been during the last 15 years, and Flor again shedded her frog in the left forehoof.
Is it normal that frog shedding happens more than once a year?
The farrier was alarmed about it, because again, her frog is almost completely gone.
Flor however, again shows no signs of pain, is not lame and is in good condition.
Should I worry?
Thanks again for your answer in advance,

With kindest wishes,
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Elena

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 Posted: Sat Feb 11th, 2012 02:03 pm
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P.S. The weather did not just change from basically too warm for the time of the year to extremely cold; it also changed from wet to very dry.
Elena

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 Posted: Sat Feb 11th, 2012 05:48 pm
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Elena, we'll need a photo to give you very good advice about this. I doubt that there is anything abnormal, and I also doubt that the frog is almost gone after she sheds her sole. Nonetheless, there may be something about it you haven't told us, for example that the animal also has severe thrush. So give us a photo of her feet as they are now, and we will see. -- Dr. Deb

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 Posted: Sat Feb 11th, 2012 09:04 pm
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I just thought I would share that right at this moment 4 out of 6 of my horse have either just shed their whole frog or are about to (one that isn't has a very flat bare foot). Anyways, I live way in the northern hemisphere and the humidity here is really low in the winter and high in the summer. We had a lot of rain this summer and a lot of frogs with thrush. They now have nice healthy looking new frogs emerging.

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Dear Dr. Deb,
No, Flor absolutely has no thrush; that is something the farrier is very clear about and we watch out for that ourselves very carefully too! Whenever there would be any doubt about that, I would not have written to you about the shedding, because that would be a bad thing that should be immediately taken care of here by farrier and vet.
The last time she shedded, she got a wonderful new frog back and the only thing I would like to know, is if shedding could happen twice a year.
And I did tell you that she has had Laminitis in that foot, didn't I? Anyway, I could send you a photo if that is helpful, but I did not neglect to to tell you anything.
All best wishes and thanks for your concern,
Elena

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 Posted: Sat Feb 11th, 2012 10:39 pm
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ElenaMara wrote:
Dear Dr. Deb,
No, Flor absolutely has no thrush; that is something the farrier is very clear about and we watch out for that ourselves very carefully too! Whenever there would be any doubt about that, I would not have written to you about the shedding, because that would be a bad thing that should be immediately taken care of here by farrier and vet.
The last time she shedded, she got a wonderful new frog back and the only thing I would like to know, is if shedding could happen twice a year.
And I did tell you that she has had Laminitis in that foot, didn't I? Anyway, I could send you a photo if that is helpful, but I did not neglect to to tell you anything.
All best wishes and thanks for your concern,
Elena

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Last edited on Sat Feb 11th, 2012 10:43 pm by Elena Mara

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 Posted: Sun Feb 12th, 2012 03:35 am
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Elena, they can potentially shed any part of the hoof whenever they need to, i.e. if that part is for whatever reason growing very fast. What sheds off is epithelium, and as I said before, even though it might look rather shocking (like the whole bottom of their foot has fallen out), nonetheless if you don't see blood, serum, or pus, there is probably nothing at all wrong.

If the horse does not have thrush, but has had laminitis, it might have a very cupped foot, which will be more likely to "pack" old sole which will then shed off in big chunks. So yes, if you have time and a way to take a photo to post here, please do, so we can all see what's going on. -- Dr. Deb

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 Posted: Mon Feb 13th, 2012 10:14 am
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Dear Dr. Deb,

Flor indeed has a very cupped left foot and there's fortunately no blood, serum or pus in it.
It just looks clean.

I am so sorry, but my photo camera reacts to the cold, so we are not able to make a clear close-up yet.
I hope there will be a chance to take a picture in the coming weeks.

Thank you very much again for your information, and again my apologies for not being able to deliver a photo right away!

Kindest regards,

Elena


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