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 Posted: Mon Feb 23rd, 2009 07:14 am
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got a question, how do you , come up with that name jedran , because like 50 years ago i worked on a ranch that had an arabian stud by that name of jedran, just curious how you come to use that name ?

Pauline Moore

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 Posted: Mon Feb 23rd, 2009 11:27 am
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Goodness, Dr Deb, I'm quite exhausted just reading about your admirable abs program!

This is very similar to the approach advocated by physiotherapist Sarah Key, whose books I have mentioned previously on other threads, and to whom I owe a debt of understanding for her detailed descriptions of how a back works. 

The exercises I was taught are completely different, involving very little movement, on the basis that the function of the transverse abs is to restrict movement, not facilitate it.  In my own case, it was explained to me that doing sit-ups or crunches would be counter-productive until I had got some activity going in my transverse abs, very similar to the need for the astronauts to avoid sit-ups initially, although for me it was not no-gravity conditions that caused the problem but 40 years of bad posture - this should be taught in schools.

To help me become familiar with the feeling of my trans abs working, I was told to lie on the floor with my knees bent and feet flat.  Then I had to put an index finger on each hip bone, move those fingers one inch towards each other, then one inch down towards my thighs.  Leaving my fingers pressing down gently at this final point, I was told to visualise my trans abs as a sheet of corset that I was to try to bring closer to my spine any way I could.  The test for whether I had the right muscles working was to feel the firmness under my index fingers moving down away from my fingers, and I should only expect to feel a very slight movement, less than a quarter inch at best.  Any feeling of increasing pressure or upwards movement under my fingers would indicate that my other abs, obliques or rectus, had been activated instead.  Needless to say, the first few attempts brought only that feeling of upwards pressure but with practice I was able to isolate my trans abs and feel the pressure moving down away from beneath my fingers.   Once I'd got this feeling consistently, I could then start doing this exercise when standing, and then when sitting.  Eventually I found I could do it anytime, almost without thinking, so now I make it a habit to contract my trans abs every time I get in the car, and have included pelvic floor strengthening exercises at the same time.

This might not work for everyone, but it has been the sole reason for my improved strength and loss of back pain.  Any physiotherapist who specializes in back pain should be able to teach exercises similar to this which would be better than my second-hand version.

Best wishes - Pauline


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 Posted: Mon Feb 23rd, 2009 02:53 pm
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Thank you Dr. Deb, Pauline, and Mr. Peek for this diversion! After going without back pain for decades, just this weekend I hurt my back while trying to lift something ridiculously heavy. I googled "transverse abs exercises" yesterday, and thought I'd start with the one Pauline mentioned. (Photos are at under what Google brings up.)  My back pain went away--I guess I nipped it in the bud.

Bats, backs human and equine, and horses inside and out--what a variety of things to learn about on this forum. Thank you to everyone.

As a small, quirky expression of my appreciation, here is a very compact joke I heard recently: Two cannibals were eating a clown. One cannibal said to the other, "Does this taste funny to you?"   :-)   --Elynne

Seglawy Jedran

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 Posted: Mon Feb 23rd, 2009 05:12 pm
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Dear Neal: Well Seglawy Jedran is a strain of arab horse. When i tried to register for the forum with my regular name my old dsl box changed it to some browser jacking criminals address and the computer wouldn't let me register. Very disconcerting!! So i tried a bunch of euphemisms, Seglawy Jedran, Kuhailan Haifi, Hamdany Simri etc. As it happened when a certain phone company which shall remain nameless, but which will forever be linked to abominable customer service in my mind, finally figured out that their wretched equipment was the cause of the problem, they graciously consented to  let me pay for a new  dsl box, and i was finally able to get registered. The system just used Seglawy Jedran cuz that was the first one to come up out of my computers memory.
best wishes
 Bruce Peek


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 Posted: Fri Nov 4th, 2022 08:58 am
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Bumping this as it is a great thread!

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