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mustang girl
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 08:54 am |
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Hi Dr. Deb,
Thank you for your reply. In all sincerity I was not looking for any trouble, just to share my experiance.
The reason I feed it is because we have virtually no pasture, and my mare is Insulin Resistant and could not graze much anyways. We neede to give her something to suppl. for the healthy fats she would normally get thru grazing. I feed good quality hay that I have tested and then a balenced mineral suppl.
Since starting on the hemp (even that small of an amount) her coat is again shiney, her hooves look amazing, etc..even my vet was very impressed at the change.
These products are legally brought into the U.S. from Canada, and as I stated before, every batch is tested. As well as the Hemp protein powder I buy at my national health food chain. Everything that comes in to this country is tested to ensure it does not test for THC.
In rereading the posts I think there might have also been some misunderstanding, I am not feeding hemp as a replacment for food, it is a suppl. for EFA( good fats) and I am only doing that because of the virtual lack of grazing and her IR. If she was able to be turned out on grass even half the day I would not be suppl. with anything.The product I but from Canada is meant to be fed as a suppl. not a forage replacement.
The DEA did try to ban it 6-7 years ago and lost in court,because it was proven that the way these imported products are grown and treated there was no trace of dope in them.
I wont take up anymore of Dr. Debs time or space on her forum here with this, but for those who are interested there is alot of information and research about what lenghts the hemp growers in Canada have to go thru to import their products legally to the U.S.
Anyways thanks for letting me tell you my experience.
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 11:58 am |
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THC is an acronym for tetrahydrocannabinol, the "active" ingredient (psychoactive properties) in the Cannabis Sativa plant. Cannabis Sativa, often referred to as "hemp", is grown throughout the world for various industrial and nutritional purposes, primarily for use in textiles and animal feeds. It contains typically less than 0.3% THC, whereas the stuff kids buy to get high tends to contain 10-20% THC.
Toxicity of both THC and cannabis is very low for humans. The amount required to kill an adult human would be impossible to ingest (several hundred pounds of cannabis). I don't know if toxicity has been established for horses, Knight and Walter's comments notwithstanding.
My experience: I fed a cannabis-based supplement to my TB gelding for 6 months, in addition to a hyaluronate powder, as a remedy for arthritis in the fetlock area. I didn't see any ill effects from either. I ended up dropping the cannabis-based supplement and sticking with the hyaluronate powder, not because I saw any effect one way or the other, but because the literature I read on the efficacy of hyaluronate was convincing.
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 03:18 pm |
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Ben -- THC is poison, the toxic ingredient. Knight & Walter state that cases of intoxication (that means "poisoning") by Cannabis have been reported for all classes of livestock except chickens (see, there's those old birds again). Generally, this occurs through the animal grazing the plant -- dope grows "wild", especially along fencerows, throughout North America from Great Slave Lake south into Mexico.
I do believe you with regard to the low toxic content of hemp pellets, however, because you supply some actual data (which I assume you are getting from "guaranteed minimum analysis" on the feedbag), and it does not sound to me like the small amounts used as a feed supplement would be capable of intoxicating a horse.
And it was not necessarily a bad idea to try the stuff against arthritic conditions. You found that hyaluronic acid was more effective, and that would be expected. Mustang tells us she's using the hemp as a coat and hoof improver, i.e. a little oil in there and a little protein. This could be supplied 100 other ways, but if hemp pellets are nontoxic and cheaper than canola oil, or less likely to go rancid, then be my guest.
That's my only concern, you see -- that we not be poisoning our horses because we have gotten so "sold" on the general idea of supplementation, which is the heartfelt greatest desire and hope of every salesman. -- Dr. Deb
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 04:14 pm |
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Well since the conversation is continueing I thought I would share this article, as this seems to be a group who appreciates learning and research.
It is a 28 pg. pdf this is the link. http://www.votehemp.com/PDF/naihc.hemp.mj.pdf
The writer is:
About the Author: Dr. West holds a Ph.D. in Plant Breeding from the University
of Minnesota and has spent 18 years as a commercial corn breeder. Since 1993 he has
served as an advisor to the emerging hemp industry regarding industrial hemp
germplasm. His work, “Fiber Wars: the Extinction of Kentucky Hemp” (1994), a
pioneering discussion of the functional difference between hemp and marijuana,
and his other writings on hemp and agriculture are available online.
It does a better job then I could of explaining the differences between industrial hemp and marijuana.
The hemp I get from Canada is milled from the whole plant not pellets. I am not familiar with the product the other member was refering to. It is not cheap, but canola and corn oils are contraindicated for Insulin Resistant horses, so those are not options for us. Hemp has been found to have the closest make up to grass,with the omegas, so it is very easy on the horses to utilize and they don't need alot to see benifits.
For the record I am not a big on supplaments. Besides the little bit of hemp my mare gets a few extra minerals to make up for the deficincies in our hay, and a min. amount of APF, to help with her metabolism, thats it. If my mare could consume more grass she wouldnt even be getting the hemp. I am constantly amazed at the number of suppl. on the market for horses, it is a big money making business thats for sure.
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Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 04:18 pm |
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gauranteed minimum anayalis for the hemp pellets i am reffering to are 30% protien, 8.5% fats of 3 and 6 and 25.5% fiber. Recomended daily feeding amout is between 1 to 2 cups a day.
cardio health, hooves and coats. support for joints and tendons andJoint issues and of any kind, insulin resitance and lamanitic conditons or any inflamation conditions. excellent sorce of good fats, protein and fiber, improved muscle function and stamina, safe to feed to all horses including lactating mares and foals, central nervous system buffer etc etc the list goes on.
Like i was saying i am looking for a supplement for these specific conditions which is why i started to consider it. Dr deb i think i mentioned the distributor for this product is attending your course on thursday at papakura rsa and i had planned to meet her there to pick up a couple of bags maybe you could have a chat with her about this product she is selling. I dont intend to feed it to all my horses just two that have specific conditions.
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Jacquie
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 05:04 pm |
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Hi DD
Today I received your DVD on poisonous plants and have skim read a little of it. I love the photos and the text is going to take me a long time to read properly. What an amazing task to have assembled such a huge amount of information. Most admirable. I know many of the plants from my herbaceous borders and hanging baskets in my garden - other countries weeds are our prized garden flowers here! Some I knew were risky for horses but many I did not know about. What a fantastic resource.
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Jacquie
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Speaking of whivch I've googled around and found some entries stating that both Dandelion and false dandelion are implicated in stringhalt, and Other icky kinds of spasmodic movement. The entries said that the bad stuff in the two plants attacks the nerve sheaths in the horse. So I need to know if that's the case.
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Bruce, you really need to either obtain, or if you've already bought it, then get around to reading "Poison Plants in the Pasture: A Horse Owner's Guide."
That way, you won't sound like you've just discovered something that has been known, and publicized, and made easily available, to our readership for years (Poison Plants in the Pasture was published in 2005). Cheers -- Dr. Deb
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Reply to Tui's Mum: I have no connections whatsoever with any distributor of cannabis or any other herbal supplement, never have and never will.
There is absolutely ZERO scientific research showing that cannabis is necessary for horses' health or soundness or saying that it is effective for pain relief in equines; nor any which gives us any firm idea at all that, even if cannabis were shown to be effective, what the appropriate dosage would be.
Again and again: what horses need for good health is proper pasturage, good hay fed in small amounts on a regular schedule, and clean water.
Please don't try to "sell" anyone here on your own enthusiasms or fads of the moment -- that goes for you and anyone else who reads or posts here. And please do not, ever, associate or try to associate my name with your favorite fad. Your continuing courtesy and discretion in this matter is highly appreciated. -- Dr. Deb
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