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Kuhaylan Heify
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 Posted: Thu Apr 18th, 2019 11:12 pm
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Dear Dr. Deb. The guy I talked today at Equus can be reached at 800-829-5910. I have to call them back ,myself with the dates to get back copies.. Many thanks for the info. I think our American Thoroughbreds are way overlooked for sport purposes. Luckily enough the Barn I just moved to has some horses left of their old breeding program going to Dark Ronald,( or is it Bay Ronald)and a bunch of not currently fashionable sporty distance looking horses. To me, big horses with lots of bone, built level without the downhill orientation..
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 Posted: Fri Apr 19th, 2019 05:58 am
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Bruce, you can't get better horses than Dark Ronald or Bay Ronald (they are son and sire, both bred by the Duke of Windsor). 90% of German sporthorse breeding goes back to one or the other of them. Despite being of the Eclipse family, they are, just as you say, substantial and well-balanced for riding as opposed to being so extreme as to be suitable only for racing.

When you get the articles you're about to order, you will find me quoting George Morris concerning the wasting of American bloodlines in trade for inferior Warmbloods for purposes of jumping and dressage.

Find out who Captain Hiram Tuttle was, and why he's important, and what sort of horses he had and won on, by reading the articles.

And by all means go over to http://www.allbreedpedigree.com and look up Dark Ronald's ancestry and that of many another good horse and bad.

Cheers -- Dr. Deb

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Dear Dr. Deb. Years ago when in grad school I was able to do a broadcast feature on Major Robert Borg.. He said that Tuttle had recruited him for the army, I think in the 1920s. Borg went on to be on the army team which medalled in the 1948 games. He sounded to me like a complete Baucherist. He told Dressage and CT, when Bezugaloff was its editor that on the voyage to Europe for the 48 Olympics he ,'performed all of the neck flexions", with the teams horses. The Wikepedia entry for Tuttle states that as well as getting a medal in 1932 he( Tuttle) was told by the German team coach that the Americans needed German horses or the German judges wouldn't give them a fair shake. Acknowlidging even then that the judging was hopelessly corrupt.
Also didn't Tuttle own and ride Jenny Camp, the American Saddlebred?
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Good, you know about Capt. Tuttle, the only person ever to have won an individual medal (bronze) in Olympic dressage from the U.S. He won it on a Morgan X TB, a typical Army-bred officers' mount, identical to what is now called a 'UVM-bred Morgan', that he bought off the breeder for the grand sum of $1. The breeder thought the horse too big and coarse, which of course he is neither one.

So now I have to tell you another magazine subscription you need to get -- Eclectic Horseman, and order the back issues with my articles in them if you don't have them already. I reviewed Tuttle in one of those and presented pictures of his horses.

Jenny Camp was indeed sired by Gordon Russell when he was serving as an Army Remount stallion, but she is not a Saddlebred. Her dam's parentage is not certainly known but is thought to have been TB X American Standardbred. Do as I have asked, Bruce, and go to http://www.allbreedpedigree.com and look her up. When it pulls the pedigree, click on the little "i" button at the top and read the information posted there, which I find to be generally accurate in reviewing a lot of different pedigrees. -- Dr. Deb


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