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Hi Dr. Deb,

I have been doing a lot of micro current therapy on horses with success, mostly working along the bladder meridian, as in acupuncture.

My interest in using electro stimulation for healing and some of the studying of the behavior of group animals, especially horses, has lead me to want to know more.

I was wondering what your feelings were about morphic fields.

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 Posted: Thu Feb 8th, 2018 05:50 pm
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You'll have to educate me on this, my dear, as I haven't the faintest idea what you might mean by a "morphic field". Let me know. -- Dr. Deb

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 Posted: Fri Feb 9th, 2018 04:45 am
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http://www.sheldrake.org

Part II - Society, Spirit & Ritual: Morphic Resonance and the Collective Unconscious

Einstein called it "spooky action at a distance".

I ask because some really amazing things have happened since I started using Micro-current Therapy on horses.
(My friend and I do not charge for this, so I am not trying to drum up any business. We actually have more horses to work on than we can accommodate, the learning and healing results have been our greatest reward.)

One interesting thing happened when we were working on a horse in a small lean-to inside a large pasture. Only the front of the lean-to was open, (separating us from the other horses by a gate) and they had to come down a short narrow passage to get anywhere near to us. All of a sudden, all of the rest of the horses (5) gathered at the gate of the lean-to in this very crowded space. As we worked on the one horse, the other horses started giving releases as if we were working on them too. First the dropping of heads, then lots of blinking, some yawned, one shook. We were surprised of course but then one of the ducks came in, got under the horses feet to get nearer to where we were and started yawn after yawn, all the while risking getting stepped on, which was not his usual behavior. I really do believe that all of these animals were feeling exactly the same thing that the horse we were treating, but from a distance. One might say that the other horses were copying the horse we were working on but, she wasn`t giving all of those same releases. And the duck,..... he really got our attention.

Murmuration has always fascinated me, since it can help us understand how we want to be as one with our horses. Blending in, creating trust, moving as one unit. And of course it`s that "thread" connection that the birds, fish, herd animals are working with. How else could the bird at one end of the flock have a feel for the bird at the other end and all turn within half a second. Some flocks number 20,000 birds or more.

I know it made Tom a little upset when people would start talking about telepathy and magic but, now that science has progressed into exploring things like wave entanglement,and string theory, I really think the animals have something amazing to offer in these studies. They have used birds and fish, rats, dogs and cats but I don`t think they have tapped into their best resource and that is horses.

I remember the first time I read Kinship, it took me awhile to accept the lesson of Freddie the Fly.

Or, do you think its all hoopla.

Just thinking back to when this kind of horsemanship started to become popular and how much flack we got who were followers. Now look at it, how many years later.

Another thing you might find interesting; the horses are so much more sensitive to the current than we are. Current that we can`t even feel is way too much for them.

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 Posted: Fri Feb 9th, 2018 07:16 am
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OK, now that I know where we're at on this Mare's Tales, I very strongly suggest you go find Henry Blake's "Talking with Horses," in which he describes his experiments with "spooky effects at a distance." In fact in light of your great interest in this and your general willingness to read, I'm surprised you don't already know Blake's books. This is going to be a big treat for you, I'm pleased to say.

Blake was one of the most accomplished and most highly respected 20th century British horsemen, a master of hounds and an uninhibited cross-country rider who had all kinds of breeds and regularly tackled big obstacles, so we're not talking about some kind of nut here. His experiments were well set-up and the results are, by conventional science, completely unexplainable. Nonetheless I no more think that he is a liar than I think that you are.

The disconnect lies in the matter of proof (or more properly speaking, DISproof -- on mathematical and philosophical grounds as Karl Popper pointed out, hypotheses cannot be proved but only corroborated. They can, however, be logically disproved, and disproof rather than proof is the object of all scientific testing).

Scientific disproof requires replicability, in other words, the experiment has to be able to be repeated in exact or "sufficiently exact" form by scientists other than the team who makes the initial apparent discovery. The most famous recent example of an important scientific result unable to be replicated was the claim by a certain researcher that he had achieved atomic fusion. And at that he said he did it with very simple apparatus. What an important breakthrough that would be....it would change the entire future of the world. Unfortunately nobody else has been able to do it, and the first guy has also been unable to do it again.

Similar difficulty plagues all so-called "behavioral experiments." Behaviorism is not, to begin with, an exact science, primarily because the researcher's observations and categorizations tend to be subjective -- is a 'yawn' to you the same thing as a 'yawn' to me? And even if it is -- does a 'yawn' mean -- or communicate -- the same thing every time, or to every observer? Does it mean the same when a duck does it as when a horse does it? Thus we have the ongoing and probably unresolvable question of whether Gorillas who have been taught sign-language actually "know" what they are saying. Do they "really" "have" "language" ???? On the other hand, I sometimes have my doubts about whether a lot of people "really" "have" "language". Nonetheless my doubts do not prove that they don't....

So, the bottom line is, you are stuck in the same way that Blake was. Most scientists totally disbelieve him. I believe both him and you, but String Theory and morphic fields may just be labels. In other words, they may explain what you observed no better than Buddhist philosophy, the Jungian Oversoul, or Yoda's abilities in astral projection. These ideas have been around for a long, long time; they appear in the Kabbalistic writings of the Jews as well as in Jewish and Christian scripture ("....but Jesus escaped their clutches by disappearing, for it was not yet his time"); in the writings of mystics of every religious faith; and even in cave-paintings dating back ten thousand years depicting shamans in trance. J. Allen Boone was very familiar with these ideas and reported his own 'spooky' experiences with Strongheart, horses, and houseflies; and it is said that the students at Krishnamurti's school in Ojai, who are required to read Boone's book, have to be restrained from spending all their time taming flies. Well, it is kind of fun, although I myself prefer goldfish.

So, if nothing else, this is the picture of a very good life, and I think scientific disproof, being unlikely ever to be achieved in this area because there will always be hard-hearted people who will disparage your observations because they themselves cannot believe that all things are ultimately one thing, can jolly well be left aside. Proceed therefore on the light that is apparent to you, and go read Blake, and maybe follow that up with a good dose of Joseph Campbell ("Transformations of Myth Through Time"). Cheers -- Dr. Deb




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 Posted: Fri Feb 9th, 2018 10:31 pm
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I remember seeing Sheldrake's TED talk on the 10 dogmas of science (read the transcript) a while back. I didn't realize they had "banned" that talk, but I am not surprised that it ruffled quite a few feathers. Institutions are showing cracks all around us, and ours is no exception, and there is a lot of push-back against it.

A while back I re-read Kinship with All Life, and as I was sitting there a housefly came by and sat on my bare, propped up leg. Movement of my leg didn't shoo it away, it simply hung out with me for quite a while. I looked at it, it didn't keep scooting around like flies normally do, and this lasted for quite a few minutes. I just wondered what the heck was going on, the timing was just right there.... I was not reading the fly chapter, but still....

Mare's Tales. are you using Dr. Carolyn McMakin microcurrent therapy? I was made aware of this through a fellow horsemanship student a year or so ago. She even bought a machine and is using it on herself and her mother, saying it has brought good results.

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Dr. Deb,

I revisited my copy of Talking With Horses and read the chapters on ESP and his references to telepathy. The book was written in 1975, and today we have a lot more research upon which to draw from. Telepathy and ESP bothers me a little since it sounds like something unreal/magic but back then that was probably all they had that was commonly known. I think what is going on with my experiences, similar to a flock of starlings, a school of fish, is something found throughout the natural world, and it`s right there under our noses.

A little elaboration on the horses in the lean-to. None of them were looking onto the horse we were working on so the giving of releases was not a copy-cat reflex. Considering the distance that they were standing away from us, I really do feel that they were experiencing the same thing that the horse we were working on did, including the duck. I got the feeling that something was being SHARED and I do believe it was because they were feeling the same vibration, as if all the animals were sharing a common field. Could it be that the 20,000 or so birds in a flock all turn in the same half a second because they share this type of vibrational magnetic field unique to their kind and they are able to communicate through it.

In using the Micro Current we are taught that every disease has it`s own frequency and every organ has its own also. I`m beginning to think that every species has their own vibration with some overlap. Humans were probably more sensitive to it once upon a time but just like instinct, we`ve become dull. Like I said in the above post, the horses react to a very little amount of current, and we can`t even feel it when it`s on its highest setting. When someone is staring at us from behind we get an odd sensation, or we get "bad vibes" when we meet someone that gives us the creeps but we are no where near as sensitive as the animals. As a side note of interest, some Native American tribes believe that each individual is born with their own song, unique to them. Sound is a vibration. The rocks, trees, water, animals all have their own energy. Hmmmm.

Unfortunately it appears that Sheldrake hasn`t included horses in his study. Dr. Deb, if he could only see a person who knows what they are doing working a horse in a round pen and understand your "thread" and Birdie metaphors. Unfortunately the classroom seminar that you gave at the George Morris clinic that had the link to in the forum is not accessible now unless you are a member of USEF or something. Only parts of it were posted on youtube. Wish I could get a copy, when it was up I showed it to every animal person I could.

Isabel, I am using a portable Micro Current machine, its about the size of a deck of cards and works off a little 9 volt battery, amazing. We have instruments that we attach to the unit and we can vary the amplitude and frequency. Rollers for large areas; treating large muscles, probes for lifting muscle, pen points for dropping in a soaking boot to treat an abcess etc. We got interested in it because a friend had broken her neck and for pain management she was using a Tenz unit(too much current for horses) and got good results. She had a horse that was metabolic resistant and heard that Micro Current could help him. Guidance from a holistic chiropractor and a vet who trained in China studying acupuncture and we set out to experiment. It worked like a miracle. We have been at it 2 years.

Pauline Moore, we were told to use Magnesium Chloride as a wetting agent, and that gave us even BETTER results. We treat Metabolic disease more than any other.

I belong to a Cowboy Church, we have 18 school horses and give free riding lessons to any kids in the community that want to come. We get about 200 students. With the Micro Current Therapy we keep the horses healthy and happy and enthusiastic. We treat the horses about twice a week.

It`s such a lovely feeling, walking by the hitching rail where the horses are tied and the ones that have been treated are looking at us, leaning towards us the best they can as we walk by. These are horses that get loved on and brushed by the students 4 days a week but, they recognize and respond best to the 2 ladies that do the Micro Current. The Horses that used to refuse to be caught walk up to us out in their 40 acre pasture. It`s a great feeling being popular. We now have some of the students doing acupressure in between treatments and they are loving the responses they get from the horses. It teaches the students to read horses much better too.

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You might find Tom Campbell's work interesting. https://youtu.be/IoPCodDc9B0

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Thanks Dave.

I`ve watched it twice and am still digesting all that he has said. Ill watch it again, lots to ponder.

I`m hearing some of the terms and concepts that I have learned that the animals and this type of horsemanship have taught me. He puts a light on some of that.

Interesting side note.
Yesterday I worked on an Amish horse. It was owned by a man that shoes horses for the Amish and does minor vet procedures for them. He is well known in the area. He has a lot of clients who have horses that are metabolic resistant and he didn't know how to help them. Even though the Amish can not use plug in electricity, he can use a battery and that is what my unit is run on.

The horse he brought out for me to work on was a young Morgan mare of his, not metabolic but was having some soreness issues and taking over while being driven. During the treatment the releases that horse gave were the most dramatic that I have ever experienced. She arched her neck and pushed out her back leg three times, yawned and brought up her third eye lid numerous times, dropped her head and turned her head side to side as in stretching. Licked and chewed, and sighed.

The Amish in our area are open to natural healing. The owner of this horse is very open to the power of touch and herbs, his parents took classes in such to help their family and community. He has a very good and kind relationship with his horses and in his work with others as well as his own, he doesn`t put the horses on the defensive and has unlimited patience. In other words, they are OPEN to the idea of unconventional nonmaterial healing and with this person especially, he has a RELATIONSHIP with his animals.

Ok, long story short. In the video TC was talking about what a strong influence intent is. Tom said, "Do it for the horse, not to them." A lot in that sentence suggesting a persons intent. I think one of the reasons why this mare`s releases were so dramatic was that she felt safe to express herself during the treatment. Many times it is AFTER the treatment, when you walk away or stop looking at them that they give the most complete releases but this mare expressed herself dramatically DURING the treatment.

I showed the Amish man how groundwork can be beneficial.

I can`t wait until their next session. It all felt good to me too,.... and to the owner..... and to my helper. It was a good session COLLECTIVELY.

They can hardly wait until the next session either.


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