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Dear People -- I'm putting in a request today to see if you-all would be as willing to help on this as you were a couple of years ago when we did the survey of "bone substance" with everyone getting involved and contributing measurements.

What is needed now are good photos of horses belonging to the "less common" breeds. I'm not talking necessarily about real rare breeds -- just not so much Quarter Horses, of which I have a gazillion examples that have already been sent in.

The photos need to show three views, if at all possible: side, front, and rear.

You can also shoot the back from the top -- it's more trouble, but you may find out some things by doing it. Remember that for this shot, it is absolutely crucial to get both sets of feet, front and back, absolutely square across -- otherwise it will make your horse's back or neck look crooked when it isn't. Obviously also somebody has to help the horse have its nose right in front of its breast too.

I get quite a few photos that are sent in that look like the person took no real trouble about it. These photos look to me like they might have been taken from a cell phone. I understand that cell phone cameras these days might be superior to my own lab camera; but it will really help if the photographer doesn't just "grab a snap" for these. The image must be in focus, and the light should come from BEHIND (not in front of!) the photographer. This will cause the photographer to cast a shadow forward; you'll either have to stand back a little farther, or else move somewhat, to keep your shadow from crossing onto the horse's body.

Please try for an uncluttered background. A hedge, a lawn, a distant forest of trees, or the side of a barn (no windows) work well.

Don't worry about having a handler in the shot. Your horse will look MUCH better if he's standing up nicely on his feet, and the handler will be far more able to get this done while you fiddle with the camera. What will happen to the handler is that he or she will get cropped right out of the picture....we do this 'Photoshop magic' on almost every shot that appears in Equus Magazine. Just be sure that the horse is standing at least a few inches away from the handler, so that there are no hands touching the horse's body.

Digital photos may be sent via EMail. PLEASE make sure that the filesize is not less than about 8 Megapixels, i.e. approximately 35 inches wide X 72 dpi or about 8 inches wide at 300 dpi. Photos can be even larger than this, up to the limit of what your browser will allow you to EMail.

Why I need these photos is for the upcoming "second phase" of the conformation series in Equus Magazine -- and for possible inclusion in a future textbook. Please understand that when you submit a photo, by the act of submission you are donating the photo to me, and the photo and all copyright rights thereafter belong to Dr. Deb Bennett, Ph.D./ Equine Studies Institute. What you will get in trade for that is the pleasure of knowing that your horse which appears in print, either in the magazine or in any future book, will be helping literally thousands of other people to make good choices when they select a horse to train or purchase.

Here are the breeds I particularly need:

-- Rocky Mountain Horse

-- American Saddlebred

-- "Saddle Horses" of all registries and types

-- Quarabs, i.e. Quarter Horse X Arabian, Arabian X Quarter Horse

-- Arabians

-- Half-Arabians, whether registered or not, any cross

-- National Show Horse

-- Iberian horses, all breeds and related breeds, i.e. any Andalusian or Lusitano or any Iberian native horse such as Sorraia

-- Azteca

-- Mustang, any registry or BLM adopted (or "wild" shots)

-- Paso Fino

-- Peruvian Paso

-- South American breeds, i.e. Criollo, Chilean, Mangalarga

-- Morgans

You may also submit a horse of ANY breed (even Quarter Horse!) if it has some "outstanding" conformation flaw, i.e. bench knees, pigeon toes, postlegged, calf-kneed, scoliotic.

I also LOVE to get "before" and "after" pictures of training success stories, and also "before" and "after" sequences showing, for example, a foal born windswept and then the vet came in there and did surgery or braced him or something, and then you show us the result several years later.

A huge THANK YOU ahead of time to anyone willing to contribute. If you only have photo prints, please write to say so and I will help you make arrangements so that we get the prints copied with no danger that your old photos might be damaged or lost (we are not asking you to donate irreplaceable prints).

Please direct all submissions or questions to: drdebphotos@equinestudies.org.

 

 


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I have an Arabian and a Quarab, so I will send you pictures of them.  Would you be interested in pictures of my mules?  One is out of a Thoroughbred, one from a Missouri Foxtrotter and one from a Welsh pony.

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Yes, sure -- I forgot and left mules off the list!

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How about Norwegian Fjords?

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Yes, Fjords would be fine. So would Halflingers. And so would Icelandics, if somebody besides Adam Till on this list owns one. Thank you guys so much! -- Dr. Deb

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Are you interested in cross breeds? I have an Icelandic/Kentucky Mtn cross.

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Yes, absolutely; what an unusual cross. Anybody got one of those new Belgian X American Saddlebreds? -- Dr. Deb

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I have a question on composing the shots.

Front shot - horse's head looking directly ahead? Aim lens at chest?

Side shot - should the horse be "squared" or standing in an open legged position. Where do I point my lens at? Girth/barrel area?

Thanks,

Erin

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I don't know the exact breed that my mare is...  I've been told: mustang, morgan, TB and even saddle breed.... would a picture still be useful?

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Yes, ma'am, and greatly appreciated. We might be able to figure out what she is "on appearances." -- Dr. Deb

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Deb, It might be a good idea if posted some the shots the way you want them.

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All a person has to do is look-see what we print in Equus Magazine. I get many offhand, un-useable shots: out of focus, backlit/glare, dangerous clutter, dark shadows cutting across the horse's body, ears cut off, feet cut off, etc. I can photoshop some things -- i.e. remove the guy holding the lead rope who has a cigar hanging out of his mouth and his fly open -- but I can't fix the above-listed things. I'm not OVERLY picky, I think....just use common sense. And anyway, if someone sends me photos and they're not useable for some reason, they'll get an EMail back thanking them for the effort and suggesting improvements.

But since you asked, see attached photo of Ollie as the "ideal" example. -- Dr. Deb

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Any need for a Belgian/Thoroughbred cross?

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Yes, Marcia, certainly -- and thanks for the offer! Just send to the EMail address given in the first post above. Cheers -- Dr. Deb

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Dr Deb,

I have 2 mustangs and 1 mustang/Missouri Foxtrotter cross.  One of my mustangs is documented to come from a herd where American Saddlebreds were released many generations ago. I can get the three shots you want for sure but I am the only competant handler and photgrapher I know since I just moved to Southern AZ from Southern CA. I know not a single soul yet. They are all distinct looking and are all flawed.  I would love to have the opportunity to learn how to improve them.

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Annette, your offer is most generous and I would love to receive photos of your horses. You must have a Mustang (X ASB way back there) from the Choctaw-Chickasaw group, vis. the Oklahoma herd, and that is most rare and valuable. But so are your others. So please EMail 'em to drdebphotos@equinestudies.org whenever you get ready. Thank you so much -- Dr. Deb

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Dr.Deb,I will take a couple pictures and email you.

Laura

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Dr Deb,

What is your deadline? My horse crawled out of his hot wire turn out and tried to jump a barb wire topped field  fence yesterday and failed. My husband got a single decent picture out of about 200 taken last week and it isn't exactly right because it is not taken from mid barrel.  He just isn't horsey enough to understand. I was going to just tie the horse and take the pics but then he hurt himself.  If I can have a couple of weeks I will get you all the pics I promised. If not then just pics I have will have to do.

Thanks,
Annette Carter

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Dear Annette, so sorry to hear that the horse has hurt itself. No, there's no big deadline; just send whatever you can, when it seems convenient. Thanks again for thinking of helping out. -- Dr. Deb

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Dr. Deb I copy the adrese drdebphotos@equinestudies.org and try to send you fotos from my gmail but it didn't go. Could I send fotos on some other addresse.

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Igor, you must have tried a second time; the photos came through just fine. Many thanks for your interesting contribution. -- Dr. Deb

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I am just catching up on things -- Dr. Deb, do you still need photos?

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Dr. Bennett,
Are you still looking for horses to evaluate? We have American Curly and BLM Curly Mustangs and are hoping to learn more about our horses conformation and what riding disciplines they would be better matched with given their ancestral background.
I look forward to hearing from you,
Angie Gaines
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Yes, I can certainly use photos of your horses. Thanks very much for the offer and I'll look forward to receiving them either at office@equinestudies.org or else at drdebphotos@equinestudies.org.

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Hi,

Would pictures of a big Dutch Warmblood be of any use to you? The breed is not on the list, but it's not a Quarter either, so..

Anouk

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Yes, Anouk, Warmbloods are OK and I can always use more of those. Thanks very much and I shall look forward to receiving your pics. -- Dr. Deb

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I have two arabians I will try and get some good photos of for you to use

I might have some from a couple mares we once owned (a standardbred and a crossbreed) if you want those.  Would have to check and see if any are good enough.

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Annette, I would appreciate receiving photos of your horses very much. Yes, I know the mustang herd you're referring to: the mustang X ASB cross produces some very nice individuals. Notice that it's much the same cross as what they used to produce the "Rocky Mountain" horse, i.e. ASB or TWH of old bloodlines crossed on mustang.

Well, maybe your need for somebody to hold the lead rope while you take the photos would be a great excuse to introduce yourself to a neighbor who is also a horse enthusiast. Couldn't hurt!

When you get the photos taken, size them as per directions given in the initial post in this thread, and EMail them as attachments to: office@equinestudies.org. Many thanks! -- Dr. Deb

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I have 4 registered PRE horses. One is a very well bred yearling colt (born here in UK, but "made" in Spain and imported inside his mum), two are rising 4 - a filly and a gelding bred in UK and one is mare rising 8 - the dam of the colt foal. All are registered PREs.

I havent been on here for a while - are you still needing pics?

I also have
two pure bred registered Welsh Section B ponies,
one pure reg 1 Lipizzaner,
one TB x Connemara
one Welsh x New Forest pony
and an Irish draught x Appaloosa :)

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Hi Dr Deb - do you still need photos - I have:

1. Small TB 15 years - leans to Right with evidence in frog shape, tendancy for wall separation, navicular, bone spavin

2. young 6yr old Irish Sports Horse (ISH) - asymmetrical back muscling already

3. complete FUBAR old ISH - came to me as rescue.

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Yes, absolutely, Sue, I would certainly appreciate receiving any photos you care to send. Please make them about 35 inches wide at 72 dpi or alternatively about 8 inches wide at 300 dpi. Send them as attachments to EMails to: office@equinestudies.org. Thank you! -- Dr. Deb

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Dr Deb, Some on there way to you


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welsh cob any good for photo's?
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welsh cob section d any good for photo's?
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welsh cob section d any good for photo's?
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Welsh cob section d any good for your photos?

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I'll see if I can get any conformational pictures of my Spanish Norman for you. He's the one in my avatar.

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Do you still need pictures? I have plenty of my Spanish type Sulphur horses.

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Hi Dr Bennett, are you still looking for photos? I see you don't really need any more pics of QHs, but my boy is a mismatched mess. 14.3h and 1100 lbs, with tiny 00 feet (one front is pigeon-toed and pronated, the other was slightly club when I got him), straight gaskins, cow-hocked, and weak stifles. If you still need photos, I'd be happy to send some.
Btw, your website is amazing, and it's been a Godsend for me. Thank you so much for sharing your incredible knowledge.

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Yes, I am especially interested in horses with "less than perfect" conformation. Make the photos about 7 to 9 inches wide X 300 dpi, or else 35 to around 55 inches wide X 72 dpi, and send them to:

office@equinestudies.org

Include the horse's breed affiliation (QH or appendix QH or whatever it is), height, sex, weight, and age. Also a brief description of what he's used for, or what you had been hoping to use him for, and your name as you want it in the credit line.

Images should show the horse in standard conformation pose, i.e. weigt on all four feet, standing still; the main shot should be from left or right side (or both), and you can also send front and rear views. Make sure the front view shows the forelimbs from the base of the neck downwards, and that no bodyparts are cut off of any views. Don't worry if there's a handler in the shot -- by all means use a handler, it makes taking the pictures much easier -- we can usually make the handler "disappear" by means of Photoshop.

Thank you very much for the offer to send the photos! -- Dr. Deb

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Dr. Deb,
I attempted to send you photos of my Choctaw gelding a few days ago. Did you receive them and if so were they sufficient for your needs or do I need to take additional ones?

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Dear Rebecca -- Yes, the photos came through just dandy. I did not open your EMails or download the images until this evening because of our October anatomy class, which occupied 100% of my time and energy for the five-day period Oct. 24-28th. Your messages came in on the 26th but because I have no chance at all to do office correspondence during "anatomy week" it usually takes me a few days after the class is over to catch up.

Your Choctaw gelding is handsome and athletic, with a strong "Spanish" flavor to him. The photos you took are excellent and I shall be pleased, when the time comes, to include them in an article in our breed series in Equus Magazine.

As to that, folks: I do still need more photos -- essentially, anything BUT Quarter Horses (unless there's something really outstanding or amazing, good or bad, about your particular Quarter Horse).

I have just submitted the manuscript to my editor for the first, introductory installment of the breed series; we would anticipate being in the January or February 2014 issue. After that, the series will appear monthly and/or as I have a chance to produce them, given the rest of my work schedule -- generally that means a month or two off here and there. Nonetheless I think you can anticipate some very interesting reading, no matter what breed or type of horse you fancy.

Thanks again to all those who have sent photos, or who may yet send them! -- Dr. Deb

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Brand new here and see this thread has been quiet for a couple months, but I was just wondering if you would have any interest in pictures of a 7-8 year old mustang gelding? He is from the Coyote Lakes HMA in Southeast Oregon.

Thank you.

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Yes, absolutely -- Mustang photos would be of great interest. Thank you for the offer!

Send them at adequate size please -- at least 7 inches wide at 300 dpi, or 40 inches or so at 72 dpi. That plus good focus, lighting coming from behind the photographer onto the horse, avoid getting shadows onto the horse, etc. -- all so that you don't waste your effort through sending in a photo that Equus Magazine can't print.

We are grateful to all who have contributed to the never-ending effort to get good, non-commercially-biased information about conformation and the various breeds out to horse owners worldwide.

See the first installment of our new breed series in this month's issue of Equus Magazine! Cheers -- Dr. Deb

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I have two haflinger mares, a mother and daughter. The daughter is more "draft" in build than the mother. Would photos of one or both be helpful? If I send you photos of both, you will have more choices.

They are still in their winter fuzzies now. Would it be better to wait until they have shed out before taking the shots?

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Ladyhawk, either woolly or not so woolly would be just fine. Just so they're clean and not all caked with mud or patchy wetness. And yes, yours is definitely one of the less common breeds, and photos of both horses would help me out a lot, along with all our readership at Equus Magazine. Thanks very much for offering to take photos!

If you do send .jpg's, make them attachments to an EMail and send it to: drdebphotos@equinestudies.org or office@equinestudies.org. The size should be not less than 35 inches wide at 72 dpi, or 6 inches at 300 dpi, approximately. -- Dr. Deb

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Hello Dr. Bennett

Are you interested in photos of Canadian horses ? I have tons of good quality pictures of them.

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Annette, your photos would be of great interest and assistance to everyone. Maybe you can get a new neighbor to come over and hold the halter lead ropes for you while you do the photos. Surely there will be someone who can give you an hour of their time -- hopefully the horses are broke enough to not be too much difficulty. Thank you very much for the offer; send photos to office@equinestudies.org. Cheers -- Dr. Deb

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DO you already have all the Arabian pix you want, including strains? I have three straight Egyptians with very different body types if you'd like them.

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Well, they won't appear in Equus Magazine but they might appear in the book on the subject of conformation which we are preparing -- so yes, absolutely, I'd love to see your horses. And thanks very much for the offer; without the participation of so many owners, we would not be able to know what we need to know in order to go on breeding good horses. -- Dr. Deb

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What resolution would you prefer?

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Joe -- from the first post in this thread, where I also show an example of a good-quality shot:

PLEASE make sure that the filesize is not less than about 8 Megapixels, i.e. approximately 35 inches wide X 72 dpi or about 8 inches wide at 300 dpi. Photos can be even larger than this, up to the limit of what your browser will allow you to EMail.

Thanks very much again for your willingness to contribute. -- Dr. Deb


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I can take 16 mp shots +- and send rather large files with our fiber optic. My concern was driven by our experience a few years back when I sent you too large a file of a persimmon and it bogged down your system. SO if you say "go for size," I'll see how high I can send.

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Joe, I just need sufficient size -- not maximum size. The 8 in. X 300 dpi or equivalent is just great. -- Dr. Deb

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Hi Dr Deb,
are you still looking for pictures?
I have some interesting mixes - draft/warmblood/lusitano/arab crosses.
I would love to help you in any way I can - for everything you do for us! :)
Zuzana

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Sure, Zuzana -- you can EMail photos to office@equinestudies.org. Very interested in anything you may send! Thank you very much -- Dr. Deb

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Dear People: I'm just starting a new "chapter" in our horse breed history series in Equus Magazine. The new "chapter" (really a series of articles) will focus on the Morgan and its derivative breeds, i.e. TWH, American Saddlebred, American Standardbred, Foxtrotter, Rocky Mountain Horse, Spotted Saddle Horse.

Anybody who can supply PHOTOS of these horses -- I make a plea for help! Especially do I need MORGANS -- understand, no question, this is also about getting a kind of free advertising. If I use a given photo, credit is given to the donor and/or farm and it is seen by over 250,000 readers.

I cannot use copyright photos, i.e. those taken by a professional photographer unless the photographer gives us written permission. I would PREFER photos taken by the owner himself or herself anyway.

If you can possibly help out on this, it will be a boost for the Morgan breed as well as good reading and learning for everybody.

If you want to submit a photo, please do it directly to office@equinestudies.org.

THANKS A MILLION -- Dr. Deb

 

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Hi Deb

I am sure that you have thought of this but we have a few Morgan breeders that you may be able to contact to supply you with good quality photos. They are Mountain Creek, Wilga Park and Red Bluff Morgans.

Cheers
Dorinda

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Would you be interested in pics from Nooitgedachter horses? A South African breed.

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Yes, certainly: I've never seen one of those! -- Dr. Deb




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