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Patchwork Pony
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Posted: Tue May 9th, 2017 06:23 pm
Working diligently, but have a rein question which I can’t find in the search feature. What kind of attachment should be used for rope reins? There are some with clips (snaps) that attach to the bit. Are these too heavy? If so what would you recommend for the best method of attachment?
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Posted: Tue May 9th, 2017 10:54 pm
Buck Brannaman and the ones I have seen from this school use mecate reins with leather slobber straps (you thread the reins through those). Since there are different lengths of slobber straps, Buck prefers the shorter ones (he gets those kinds of questions all the time, and I have heard him quip on straps that are quite long). He does not like metal snaps. They can break, and the scissor clips I used to have on a set of rope reins can actually become undone when the horse rubs its face. Clips also don't offer the feel that slobber straps do.

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Posted: Tue May 9th, 2017 10:58 pm
No concerns with extra weight affecting the tension on the reins for a green horse?

Another question - Listening to the Mannering tapes about 'raising the life' it sounded very much like 'half-halts'.Is it the same concept?
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Posted: Tue May 9th, 2017 11:07 pm
Yes Ilam, This was my concern for the feel or weight issue. I have always ridden English but had a saddle made for my horse that is a hybrid (endurance type) saddle and am willing to make whatever changes I can to improve my riding and keep my horse sound and fit. Something rings very true to me about riding with a draped rein and I think it would be much easier to adapt to with the rope reins. Thanks for your comments on this.
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Posted: Tue May 9th, 2017 11:22 pm
This setup is what they use from the very first ride in the snaffle bit. The horse feels you picking up that rein long before there there is any tension. They are so sensitive, us hapless humans can barely tap into that.

No, raising the life is not the same as a half halt. The way I understand it is life is energy, there is the frequencies the human carries, and then there is the one the horse has at any given moment, and you work on getting those two in synch, so that the horse is always with you. When you are together, you can raise your life and the horse raises his with you, you both become energized and e.g. ready for an athletic maneuver. His body becomes your body, you become and move as one. The same is when you lower your inner energy, the horse lowers his with you and e.g. a downward transition follows. The legs and reins are only used to create the proper shape for these maneuvers.

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Posted: Thu May 11th, 2017 12:27 am
Is anyone familiar with this site?http://www.dingosbreakfastclub.net/DingosBreakfastClub/BioMech/BioMechRideContent.html
Dr. Nancy Nicholson
In depth information that I am not qualified to judge the validity of. Would appreciate feedback.
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Posted: Fri May 12th, 2017 08:52 am
Patchwork Pony: She's wrong, about how horses,' develop,' a strong double back as the result of having strong dorsal muscles.. Horses lift their back into an arch and bascule by flexing their abdominal muscles. For their spine to lift slightly and bascule their dorsals need to be able to be flexible and relaxed and allow the spine to rise. If they are tense the back tends to be locked down, and the horse has difficulty getting their hindquarters underneath themselves. It is a very common misperception among competitive riders that a muscled up top line with weight lifter like definition is a desirable thing.
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Bruce: Are you saying Dr. Nicholson teaches this?
With all my studying this week, I now have a good grasp on the muscles used to raise the back, as you said. It opens a whole new avenue for lots of 'aha' moments. It is wonderful finally having the pieces fall into place but keeps piling up the information that needs to be digested. Got one of Michael Schaffer's books. He is wonderful how he presents the information. Thanks for your insight into Dr. Nicholson's material. Saves me a lot of time not having to wade through information to find out it is not accurate or even being mislead by it.
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Posted: Fri May 12th, 2017 04:57 pm
Well I don't know what she teaches since I've never cliniced with her. I'll stick with Deb, and Mike Schaffer and Buck and Joe and Josh. Its very common that people get confused about making the horses back strong. The horses back where we sit needs to stay flexible and not locked down, so the horses joints can bend and undulate as they move..
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Dear Patch: First, my apologies for taking a very long time to get back to you. I am this month on research sabbatical, back at my alma mater the University of Kansas, at the Museum of Natural History, working with science colleagues whom I have known for forty years, seeing old friends of equal vintage whom I enjoy. We talk, think up ideas, measure specimens, take and process the necessary photos, listen to Arlo Guthrie on NPR on the lab radio, and write up results and text. When I need a break I hop in the car and go tooling down roads I rode on my mare Sadie in the 1970's, just to see if they've changed at all -- which of course, they haven't. It's heaven, we're busy, and that's my reason for not much being here.

The other reasons I haven't replied to you are these:

(a) your letter is one long whine -- you're depressed and negative. I'd like you to ask yourself, what motivation your letter itself would give for anybody to take extra time to reply to it? Who wants to be around somebody who gives up breeding horses 'because it would be better for them to be dead than around humans'? Does that apply to me, you mean?

(b) YOu don't ask any specific question, and therefore, you are mis-using this space. This is not a 'blog' where people are invited to come to tell their life story, because I am not even slightly interested in peoples' life story. What I AM interested in, and committed to, is teaching you how to address and solve particular problems that inevitably come up as you pursue success in this Tom Dorrance-Ray Hunt-Francois Baucher-Buckaroo school of horsemanship.

Let's see if you can "get a life", Patch. I invite you to write back with ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION and thus make it a little easier for me to reply to you more promptly. Do a little thinking and get over your big weep, because I'm no help with that at all. -- Dr. Deb

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Well Dr. Bennett I am very glad you had a great time. You have been very blessed.
I think you are being very unfair to me because you have no idea of what I have seen or where I have been.
I did ask specific questions.

I asked if I had the correct initial understanding.

I asked about the type of connection that is best to use with rope reins and did the weight make a difference.

I also asked if 'raising the life' is connected in someway to a half-halt.

I asked about a Canadian distributor to get the 'Birdie CD's' for which I have contacted two other sources and received no reply from.

If you detected 'whining' perhaps because I have been so discourage trying to do what is right by my horses and running against brick walls which you apparently are willing to contribute to by being snarky to me. I am eager to learn. I have been studying constantly for the past two weeks that you have been away and have come a long way in my understanding.
I gave you some background so you would realize that I am working against the odds and why I haven't done anything earlier in my life. I would appreciate if you would look past your negative feelings towards me and simply be willing to guide me.
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Well Dr. Bennett I am very glad you had a great time. You have been very blessed.
I think you are being very unfair to me because you have no idea of what I have seen or where I have been.
I did ask specific questions.

I asked if I had the correct initial understanding.

I asked about the type of connection that is best to use with rope reins and did the weight make a difference.

I also asked if 'raising the life' is connected in someway to a half-halt.

I asked about a Canadian distributor to get the 'Birdie CD's' for which I have contacted two other sources and received no reply from.

If you detected 'whining' perhaps because I have been so discourage trying to do what is right by my horses and running against brick walls which you apparently are willing to contribute to by being snarky to me. I am eager to learn. I have been studying constantly for the past two weeks that you have been away and have come a long way in my understanding.
I gave you some background so you would realize that I am working against the odds and why I haven't done anything earlier in my life. I would appreciate if you would look past your negative feelings towards me and simply be willing to guide me.
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Unfair, my butt kiddo. You gave me background, Patch, because you are either looking to me to be your shrink, your sister, or your girlfriend. But you are barking up the wrong tree, for I am none of these.

You also give background, as many other people do, because you (a) crave praise from someone you perceive to be an authority, and (b) you want an excuse, a 'history', that explains why you haven't been as successful as you had hoped. I am always deeply suspicious of anyone's real motivations whose first words, as they reach out to shake my hand, are 'Hi I'm so-and-so and I'm a recovering alcoholic' or 'Hi, I'm so-and-so and I've been the victim of an undiagnosed sleep disorder.' Who really cares about this, besides yourself? How does that relate to solving ANY training problem?

So you see, Patch, I think you're using your medical history as an excuse; but here are no acceptable excuses. We do not acknowledge either that YOU have a history, or that any of your horses  have.

All that there is, and all that there will ever be in this space, is the dialogue between you and me, right here and right now.

Therefore -- I will answer your questions, when you come back without whining, with the open attitude that is characteristic of the learner rather than the excuse-maker who feels ever so sorry for herself. When you get off this type of crap -- then Patch, we can talk. Ask your questions one at a time, and make sure they're related to your specific, and current, training or handling problems, ideas, or concerns. The three 'training' questions you did ask are not really related to anything you're currently doing or trying; they are just products of 'curiosity'. So I am telling you that you need to get to where you are a good deal more honest in reporting where you and your horse are actually at, what you are actually working on -- TODAY.

As to the Canadian distributor: Yvonne and Ricky Miller often 'go offline' for long periods. Because you live in Canada, you are not REQUIRED to buy from them; I only suggest it because they are old friends and I like to help them when I can. But if you can't get them to respond, you can always buy what  you want directly through the bookstore at our main website, http://www.equinestudies.org. -- Dr. Deb

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No, sorry on all counts. What I was trying to tell you is I understand you use the Socratic method of teaching but at my age and where I am right now with my horse I need a little more direct guidance instead of running down rabbit holes looking for the information I need. Yes I am looking for an item to begin working with my mare because I would rather get it right from the beginning because I have a smaller window of opportunity to get it right.
If you knew me you would know I don't care what other people think. You are not qualified, my dear, to be any ones shrink, even though you believe you are. I have no need of a sister and I have very good friends. You have simply got information that would help my horse.
Unlike you, I will not attack you personally because it is so unprofessional. I'll continue to wade through the material I have and not bother you any more because I don't have time for your games.
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Posted: Mon May 15th, 2017 06:24 pm
Patch, if you want help from me, then you will have to accept getting the help in the way that I offer it. Otherwise, you're welcome to go to Twitter or Facebook and bawl your eyes out there. We don't do that here.

Longtime readers of this Forum will recognize the pattern where Patch accuses me of making a personal attack and/or of being "unprofessional". What Patch may eventually discover -- if she is lucky and works at looking into herself hard enough -- is that this is a kind of first line of defence, a reaction that people have when their initial plan (i.e. to make me into their shrink, their sister, or their special girlfriend) does not work out.

Patch, you are very confused in thinking that any of my 'Socratic' questions are meant to lead you down a rabbit hole that is irrelevant or goes nowhere useful. Your problem is that the particular rabbit hole you need to go down is one that you do not want to go down -- it's a rabbit hole all about getting rid of neediness, whininess, dependency, smarmy artificial closeness. This is very common and as I said, longtime readers here have seen it many times before. Those issues all have to be totally cleared out before you'll be able to make even the first tiny step of progress in learning how to succeed with horses. Now, Patch, you wrote in here looking for guidance, and the teacher has given you exactly that: the firm guidance you really need. This, then, is your homework.

So you think this through, Patch, and if you get to a point in personal courage where you can write a brief description of the horse you are CURRENTLY working with, a horse you are ACTUALLY IN PROCESS WITH -- and you describe some problem you're having in that process, or you make some observation about that process or you like to share an insight that came out of that process -- then that is what this space is for, and your communication will then be welcome. -- Dr. Deb




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