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 Posted: Sat Aug 27th, 2011 12:17 pm
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We were in Montana a few weeks ago at a Buck Brannaman clinic at the Staley Homestead (where some of the movie was filmed). One of the evening activities was a special showing of the Buck movie in Virginia City. Wow, what an experience. Amazing, especially awesome was that Buck, Mary, Reata, Ms. Shirley and Cindy (the editor) were at the screening and even fielded questions afterward. We had a chance to chat with Ms. Shirley at subsequent events. What a truly charming woman. They all are amazing people. It was also interesting seeing Betty Staley ride her dressage horse, cutting and roping cattle. If you ever get a chance to attend a Buck clinic, either on your horse or as a auditor... I highly recommend it.

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 Posted: Wed Sep 21st, 2011 05:36 pm
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The DVD is due out in October.

Don't forget public libraries as a possible source for these DVDs, tapes, books, etc., if you wish to review before making a purchase.

My local library has "Turning Loose" and it is available through interlibrary loan (ILL) to other libraries.  The library will be buying "Buck" as soon as the DVD is available.  It also has several of the titles on Dr. Deb's recommended reading list.  Those it doesn't have, I have obtained by requesting interlibrary loan.  Check WorldCat (http://www.worldcat.org) and enter your zip code for a list of copies nearest to you.  Give this info to your local library if it doesn't own the title and request the ILL.


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 Posted: Sat Oct 8th, 2011 06:06 pm
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I just got my copy of "Buck" at Walmart, only $12.00. They had a limited number of copies at our store.

I hope that this movie will inspire more people to look into this type of horsemanship.

A cousin gave me the book "Think Harmony with Horses" way back in 1978 after she attended a colt starting clinic with Ray Hunt but it was not until I actually saw Ray Hunt and Buck B. in person that I felt moved enough to pursue it. I have been on a quest to improve my horsemanship with this "better way" ever since. Perhaps this movie will inspire others as well by bringing it right to their living rooms and personalizing it for those not even interested in horses. This way of being is so much bigger than about horses, it is a way of treating everything that breathes with respect, including other people, and having that come back to you, I think they got that message across very well in the movie.

There is a Native American belief that all of life`s energy travels in a circle.

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 Posted: Sat Oct 8th, 2011 07:18 pm
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'Life's energy travels in a circle.'

We did find a copy of Ray Hunt's 'Turning Loose' as well as his Colt Starting DVDs. Every single one holds so much, I have been glued to 'Turning Loose', it has become one of my all time favourites.

A group of us went and saw 'Buck' last Thursday, loved it and learnt a lot. But here is the circle, my other half, (Hug him!) found the copy of 'Turning Loose' Through McGinnis Meadows Ranch......blow me down there is Buck in his movie sitting down visiting with the folk of 'McGinnis Meadows Ranch'.

I will be adding a copy of 'Buck' to my collection. I can't remember the exact wording but what really hit home to me, from 'Buck' was it takes 'Courage and Try' to ride a horse. There were a squillion other things that hit home, but what started the hitting was 'Turning Loose'. Regards Judy

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 Posted: Sun Oct 9th, 2011 01:12 am
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Turning Loose is also one of my favorites too, probably my favorite RH video. I remember pondering for days on one sentence where he says, ""What I'm working on here, most people don't even know exists, but it does exist, and most people miss it." That one sentence just about wraps it up with a bow for me....... to me that means acknowledge that it exists and then go from there and make the commitment to learn about "it" from the horse. 

My favorite Buck Brannaman video is The Three Masters.


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 Posted: Sun Oct 9th, 2011 02:12 am
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I had snagged a copy of “Turning “Loose” earlier this year, since I was on a mission to try to get to know these old teachers better, I obtained most of what I found online from our elderly teacher and Ray, since I never got a chance to see them in person. Good thing that I had decided to watch that DVD again recently….. maybe a week or two before the Bastrop Complex fire hit and I lost my house (and storage building, and all the fencing, since all the posts are gone, most of the trees are likely gone too, the whole neighborhood has been destroyed).  I am staying in a temporary location right now, once I have re-established a home I will buy all that material again. I hope Margaret still has a copy of the special edition of True Unity that I had…. I nearly finished reading it, just didn’t get to the very last part, but any of these materials you have to read over and over again at different stages of your journey, because you get something new and different out of it every time (since you only can see when you are ready to see).
 
When I re-watched “Turning Loose” I finally saw what Ray saw when that horse made a change, the one that jumped out of the pen. For some reason I didn’t see it the first time, even though I re-played it several times, the second time I saw it, it was obvious. It is just weird how the mind works sometimes….
 
I don’t know whether my recent changes (the internal ones, like Ray says, “you will find that most of the time you’ll be working on yourself”) due to the material that is out there of these old teachers, have helped, probably so, I was able to catch the freaked out horse and trailer him out of the inferno.

Luckily I pre-ordered the "Buck" DVD and it is on its way :-)

 
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 Posted: Sun Oct 9th, 2011 02:19 am
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Solar wrote:
My favorite Buck Brannaman video is The Three Masters.

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I have never seen or heard of "The Three Masters" anywhere, is it still available?

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 Posted: Sun Oct 9th, 2011 02:30 am
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The Three Masters was done as a charity video. Buck`s portion is all demonstration, of horses being started, some rather pushy, one stallion and all different types of sport horses. He speaks throughout the whole video of what he is doing minute by minute, when the horses make changes etc.

It was done some time ago but I think if you google it you could find it. Mine is on VHS but someone told me that it has been put on DVD recently so it must still be out there for sale.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 13th, 2011 11:39 pm
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I was just out driving the tractor spreading fertilizer...one of those jobs like mowing where you can just let your mind wander as long as you keep the tractor in a straight line. I was reflecting on the movie and thought about the place in the movie where Buck says something like "I will be thinking about one of those old horses and they will be way out there in the pasture and just at that moment they will turn their head and look at me. What is that?."

Gosh, that has happened to me many times too and every time it does I savor it. Perhaps this is part of what Tom meant about the "spirit" of the horse" and said he wished he had more time to explore that part.

I know personally that when an animal is sick, even when the vet says they are beyond repair (keeper of numerous 20 year old cats and two ancient horses), that if they know that you really really care about them, (I call it "when your spirit melds with theirs"), that they are much more likely to fight to stay around because they know you are pulling for them and that they are important to you. Perhaps it is the deep calmness and ok-ness they feel; that they are not alone to tackle what may, and that in itself is so very theraputic. I know it`s "feel" between that animal and their person that runs very deep. Perhaps this is why Tom D. recommended that we read Kinship with All Life by J. Allen Boone? I know Tom did not believe in any woo woo stuff but perhaps he, like Buck, once in awhile marveled what "can be" involving a special connection....... and thought; "What is that?" even though he most likely had a better idea than most of us.

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 Posted: Fri Oct 14th, 2011 11:41 am
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Hi

I have ordered 'Buck' the movie and will be chomping at the bit so as to speak to watch it. I have also just ordered 'Turning Loose' from The Horseman's Shop so I hope that it arrives safely too.

Thanks for your insight to the DVD Dr Deb.  Can't wait

Cheers

Dorinda

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 Posted: Thu Oct 20th, 2011 05:04 pm
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If your own ego can't deal with his teaching style unfortunately the only one who's really going to suffer from your decision is your horse, due to your missing the chance to learn from Buck. There are only a small number of folks who truly can be considered horsemen and women, and if being a little too honest or rough around the edges is enough to dissuade you, then that's a shame.

There seems to be an underlying assumption out there nowadays that the teacher is obligated to sugar coat everything. Not sure why that's developed, but it's a shame. I think it's far less helpful to have to sift through the polite euphemisms that most people dance around with nowadays then to just get someone's straight opinion and choose to absorb or ignore it as the case may be.

At the last cowhorse clinic I attended (not with Buck, but with a master of the vaquero traditions), I made a boneheaded move and managed to trip my horse with the rein as we were chasing down a cow (he ducked right to follow the cow at the same time as I asked him to pick up his shoulder). The clinician didn't say anything about it, but just waited until I apologized to and checked my horse over, then helped us get back after the cow we'd lost. Don't think Buck didn't notice just because he didn't say anything, and BELIEVE ME, that girl will have a good feel for what the wrong thing feels like even if she can't intellectualize it right now.

As for the people who were going through the motions, well, that's their loss. I'm looking forward to riding with Buck next month, and I'm not taking my ego with me if I can avoid it. If I need help, I'll ask for it.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 20th, 2011 06:07 pm
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I agree that teachers should be clear in their criticism of bad riding and training.  No point in glossing over it.  What is bad and why it's bad are really important for people to understand, especially if they have been using such techniques themselves.

Name-calling is something else.  My parents taught me long ago not to call people names.  Name-calling doesn't clarify the person's bad behavior and makes it sound like it's impossible for that person to change because he is a "moron."

However, we all screw up sometimes and say things we think better of later.  I suspect if Buck saw a video of himself saying such a thing, he'd wince.  I'm sure he heard plenty of name-calling from his dad and wouldn't want to repeat that.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 20th, 2011 06:23 pm
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When I re-read Ray Hunt's book and had an epiphany, I also realized that so many people probably won't get it. The human psyche puts up many defenses, and many cannot, will not, or have a hard time working through those, and that generally doesn't get better with age, old habits become very ingrained. It even took me quite a while to get it (I hope I did, this is an ongoing, neverending journey), and I generally work at it pretty hard, especially when I become frustrated and keep hitting road blocks.

You will get out of Buck's clinics as much as you are open and ready to take, but the initiative is up to the individual. There is no baby sitting, no hand holding, because the process doesn't really work well that way. You have to have the inner drive to want to figure this out. Or better yet, listen to that inner voice that tells you that this teacher has something to offer you. Most people either don't listen to that voice, or their defense mechanisms are too loud and too strong for the inner voice to come through.

Buck will help you if you come to him and if your intentions are genuine. He notices a lot more than anyone would think, he probably notices way more than people are aware of about themselves, since their horse tells the truth about the rider on their back. He surprised me a few times about other people in the clinic, it didn't really show until they asked him a particular question and I realized that he DID notice. I am sure he noticed things about me that I wasn't aware of yet at the time, he just didn't tell them to me directly.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 20th, 2011 08:09 pm
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I can't speak for Buck of anything that happened at that clinic, just from a little bit of personal experience and what I have observed in clinics and otherwise. Even if it is clear as day that someone is having trouble with a horse and/or a horse is in pain or fearful, if people don't ask for help first, they usually become defensive when being asked if they need help, or if one points out what they could/should be doing differently (the latter *really* gets you nowhere!). I have seen it happen in clinics, I have had it happen to me, if seems it doesn't matter much whether you have a recognized name or not. I have seen people at Buck's clinics that paid good money and from the minute they set foot in the arena didn't really want his help, were not there to learn, even though they clearly needed it (and therefore the horse needed it too) and were in trouble. You can't really help the horse if you can't help the people that own them, unfortunately.

Somewhere in this forum is a great anecdote Dr. Deb wrote up about the Elderly Teacher and a clinic with a bunch of folks using martingales. He simply set it up and waited for the hallelujah moment, I am sure that stuck better in people's memories than if he had pointed out the error of their ways on the very first clinic day. It would have made everyone defensive and nothing would have changed.

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Dear Pigger: Your posts have been deleted because their only purpose is to engage in criticism. Criticism of ANY clinician or teacher is not permitted in this Forum if you name the person you are criticizing.

If you want to express that you think all horsemanship teachers should be clear, courteous, thorough, etc. at all times, then do so; it's a valid point, as others here have said in their replies. But this Forum shall not be allowed to degenerate into the kind of "he said-she said" opinion-fest that can be found in many other places on the Internet.

In short, we do not care to hear anyone's opinion of a named person, unless that opinion is positive. Otherwise, discuss the problem as a problem, but do not let it become attached to anyone. That way, we won't have to ask YOU to prove that YOU are clear, courteous, thorough, and a good role model at all times. -- Dr. Deb


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