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 Posted: Thu Jan 29th, 2015 08:50 pm
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Dear Pauline: many thanks for ,' we can use standing posture for an individualized guide for how frequently a horse needs to be trimmed." I had an eureka moment reading that.. My gelding stands habitually with left foreleg way extended and his right foreleg back under his body so as to reach the ground with his neck which I'm having difficulty getting to lengthen so he can stand with his front legs even and still reach the ground.. Dave Genadek surmised that if I can his feet fixed up and even then his uneven body posture issues will follow.
Sidekick( his name) recently abcessed on his left front so he's in a boot for the next few days. He seems to really enjoy the hand walking we're doing I suspect he developed the compressed neck and shoulder compensation as a means of dealing with his offset right front cannon. Prior to the abcess when he lost his balance at a slow posting trot he would begin tossing his head, while being ridden in a loose rein. The head tossing was much less when ridden in an outside arena, and practically non existent while being ridden in an open field. I will see what I can do to get some pictures taken of his feet and get them posted here..The forefeet heels are classically high on the right and low on the left according to my shoer..
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 Posted: Thu Jan 29th, 2015 09:06 pm
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Bruce, what we really need -- besides pictures of the feet -- is a photo of you riding the horse, comparable to the one submitted by Juliet. Would you be willing to do this? -- Dr. Deb

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Oh ok.. We're in the handwalking phase of post abcessism right now..Would you like pictures of us doing ground work as well.. I've had difficulty getting consistent head twirling/ flexions to the right with his ears still level, so I went to a lunging caveson with line hooked to the middle of the nose metal loop- found this enables me to get a better tilt of the bridge of the nose( like Buck talks about) which in my hands automatically tucks his jaw- but I think this is hard for him to do, cuz he pins his ears and makes faces sometimes when I do that..
I'll get going on the pictures..
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Oh ok.. We're in the handwalking phase of post abcessism right now..Would you like pictures of us doing ground work as well.. I've had difficulty getting consistent head twirling/ flexions to the right with his ears still level, so I went to a lunging caveson with line hooked to the middle of the nose metal loop- found this enables me to get a better tilt of the bridge of the nose( like Buck talks about) which in my hands automatically tucks his jaw- but I think this is hard for him to do, cuz he pins his ears and makes faces sometimes when I do that..
I'll get going on the pictures..
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Bruce Peek

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Oh ok we're in the handwalking phase of the post abcess time now.. Would you like pictures of groundwork as well? I'm having difficulty getting good jaw twirling/ flexion with his ears level. I went to using a lung caveson with the line hooked to the middle of the nose loop so I can get a better tilt of the bridge of the nose, which I have found helps to tuck his jaw. However I think I'm not doing it right cuz he often pins his ears and makes faces when I ask for that..
I'll get going on riding pictures..
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Bruce Peek

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 Posted: Fri Jan 30th, 2015 08:11 am
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Bruce, will you please actually LOOK at the photo of Juliet that I analyzed a couple of posts above. From that you will know what is wanted. I do not want groundwork for this purpose. It can be a photo taken at any time in the recent past, if you already have one. I need to see you on the horse at a trot. 

I have been well aware for a long time that you have had difficulty either fully understanding, or correctly executing, much that you have read about. This is an opportunity for you to get the direct help which will make it more possible for you to succeed.

Just do only what I ask, Bruce -- select ONE photo and post ONE. -- Dr. Deb

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 Posted: Fri Jan 30th, 2015 12:28 pm
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Ok I'll get that done as soon as I can.
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 Posted: Sun Feb 1st, 2015 08:01 pm
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Hello,

here are photos of Macie's freshly trimmed hoofs. I'll upload each photo in its own post. You'll notice that my farrier didn't bevel the toe to the degree that's suggested in the Physiological Trim article (or maybe you need a lateral view to see that). Also, the red line on both fore feet has been worrying me for some time now, so any info on that would be appreciated. I haven't done any movement observations or padding the hind feet experiments yet but will do so soon and report what I see and feel.

thanks as always,
Juliet

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 Posted: Sun Feb 8th, 2015 06:04 pm
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Hi - in the week since I posted the last pictures I haven't ridden because Macie seemed quite tender-footed, very reluctant to trot or even walk forward at liberty in the sand arena. I assume this is due to her trim. But yesterday, when I came out to her paddock she was her old self, galloping up to the gate through the deep snow looking like a Weatherbeeter advertisement. Since we'd both had a week off, and you (Dr.Deb) had kindly given me that extra time to ponder, it dawned on me what I'd been missing: head twirling! So in our session yesterday we explored the relationship between twirling and stepping forward and twirling at a stand still and twirling and backing and twirling and untracking around cones on the ground and twirling walking over cavalletti. Very fun and illuminating. Today I'm going to try padding her back feet as Pauline suggested, oh, and some more head twirling!
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 Posted: Tue Feb 10th, 2015 02:24 am
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I didn't remember if Macy got started on her magnesium,chromium, and sea salt yet. I can't see if her heels are even with the foot that has the small black spot.

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 Posted: Tue Feb 10th, 2015 05:04 am
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Instead of black spot, I should say I her frogs and heels are all dark and I have trouble seeing if Macies heels are even. Sorry, lol.

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 Posted: Tue Feb 10th, 2015 02:23 pm
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Hi Juliet
For some reason I did not see last week's photos so have only just found them. I'm sorry for that as the visible blood in the white line on both front feet reaches around from quarter to quarter, and needs to be taken as a serious warning that Macie may have some metabolic issues.

It's my belief that no horse should be sore right after a trim as it appears Macie has been (the excitement of a gallop in soft snow may have masked what she's really feeling). That is not a criticism of your farrier, but it is another clue that all is not well in her feet. Has that happened previously?

If Macie's hoof lamellar connection is weak, she may be feeling some discomfort in her feet. That can be enough to cause a shortened step-length and consequent flat or toe-first landing, plus compensatory muscle bracing throughout the body. It's exactly the same when we have a sore foot or uncomfortable shoe, we take much shorter steps and will feel tired at the end of the day.

I'll be very interested in the outcome of your raised hind heels experiment if you get time to do it as that will help us to isolate which part of her body might need some attention.

Would you like to discuss diet? If so, please let us know exactly what Macie is eating, literally everything that goes in her mouth including hay, pasture, drinking water source and any regular treats.

Pauline

Last edited on Tue Feb 10th, 2015 02:26 pm by Pauline Moore


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