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 Posted: Sun Mar 28th, 2010 05:38 am
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Hello Dr Deb,
In order that I may be better informed I was wondering to whom you were referring when you mentioned 'very well,self advertised gurus and their schools that we do not recommend'. Were these Western orientated 'gurus'or apparently Classical ones? I ask this question in all sincerity,
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Sorry, Sandy -- we absolutely do not name names of people whom we do not recommend. This should be obvious. Also, it is strictly against the rules of this Forum to name anyone not on our recommended list and/or approved by me; or to talk about anyone, recommended or not, in a negative or critical manner. You can sure ask questions, but you cannot be critical or snide. If you go to a clinic led by one of our recommended people and you don't understand something or you think you disagree with something, that's fine -- if you want to talk about it, write in and ASK about it in terms not of the person but of the material itself. So your question would not be "why does clinician X do this" but instead "I was at a clinic recently and the clinician talked about an 'exploding box' and I didn't understand that...."

In short -- if you don't already know the people being referred to in my above post, then it won't hurt you at all to go right on not knowing. If you did already know, why then -- you know whom to stay away from.

To put this the other way around, what I try to do here is name the names of people we DO recommend. I'd like to speak in positive terms. Then you'll have a great idea of exactly where you can go to get the best help.

By "best" I not only mean a level of expertise that is good to excellent, but also that the teachers whom we recommend meet a very high ethical standard. In short: they do not self-promote, they do not tolerate people trying to adulate them or make them into gurus, and they care more about advancing you and your horse as a team than they care about whether they got credit for doing it. We recommend only people who are not involved in pyramid schemes or licensing schemes. We recommend teachers who will not take your money and then walk away; they are here for the long haul, just as I have been.

So my suggestion to you on this is you go over to the main part of our website by clicking on the "home" button above. Then click on "Friends of the Institute" and download the PDF document that gives names, bios, qualifications, interests, and contact details for all the people who have earned our recommendation.

And good luck and have fun; that's what being around real teachers mostly is, because when they tell you to do something and you obey, well, it's just liable to work. -- Dr. Deb

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 Posted: Sun Mar 28th, 2010 11:39 pm
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Thank you Dr. Deb. I read the 'Home' site with great interest. I must apologise for not having done so before I asked my question.
Sandy.

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 Posted: Sat Apr 17th, 2010 06:47 pm
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Hello Dr Deb and readers,

A while ago in a post I described some exercises that I do with my ewe necked horse which have improved his ability to coil his loin and lift the root of his neck, and Dr Deb suggested I post some pics of him in trot and canter. I have now managed to get a photographer and a school at the same time, and have some photos. Dr Deb, you suggested the first beat of canter - why is this sooo difficult to catch?!! These canter pics are not the first beat, but are not as unflattering as they could be!

The first is a conformation picture of Solo (10 yo Anglo-Arab)

The second and third show trot and the fourth and fifth, canter.

I am always disappointed when I see photos or videos of Solo as the feel he gives is so much better than how he looks, maybe I am just used to him, but he really does not feel as downhill, especially in canter as the photos would suggest. I would love to be able to 'bottle' the feel he gives and send you that instead!!

I welcome your comments.

Dorothy

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 Posted: Sat Apr 17th, 2010 06:49 pm
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Solo in trot

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Solo in canter

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Solo in canter

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 Posted: Sun Apr 18th, 2010 01:34 am
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Dorothy, gotta love a dapple gray! I have a question for you. What do you make of your horse's expression in all the photos you posted?  I ask this sincerely and curiously.

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 Posted: Sun Apr 18th, 2010 08:05 am
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Hello Kathy,

Yes, I was interested to see the expression on his face, and I am not sure exactly how to interpret it. These photos were taken on a course, and in this lesson we were working with rather more energy and flow than usual. He felt totally 'OK' with this at the time, even though it was stretching him (and me) somewhat. He did find this amount of power in canter harder than in trot, but I got the feeling that he was enjoying the movement, and was offering me more trot than I was asking for.

In the second photo, I think his ears are out sideways in a normal attentive way, in the others, I think he has them turned back a bit more, almost in a way of asking 'is this really what you want?', though I got no sense of any questioning or resistance from him while I was riding. I also think that the flash photography making his eyes shine give a weird effect!!

I am interested in your interpretation as well...  ?

Dorothy

 

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Hi Dorothy,

I guess when I look at the picture of him standing, his expression is similar.  Perhaps it is the shape of his muzzle that affects the look he gives?  I know a gal who had a horse who recieved bad denistry care and when she finally was able to get him some good care his facial expression (and his hindquarter tightness) immediately softened.  She showed before and after pictures of his eyes and you could certainly see a difference.  I notice you are riding bitless, does your horse have any teeth issues? 

I understand the various looks we can see in a horse's expression when they are focused or thinking.  But I was puzzled that his look seemed the same in the conformation shot as in the others.  There is a look of tension or unease in that standing shot.

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Hello Kathy,

An interesting observation! He had his annual dental check about 2 weeks ago, so in the time between taking the standing photo (about 1month ago) and the ridden ones (last week). He has a small bone cyst on the left upper bar, which is insignificant as long as I ride bitless, and is wearing sharp edges on the backs of his tushes, both of which are going to be attended to next month when I have the vet and dentist coming to deal with them under sedation.

His posture and expression in the standing photo are typical of him when he is not OK, so you are absolutely right there. I get a sense that when he is not OK, his Birdie turns around on its forehead perch, and faces backwards, burying its head. In this state, his eyes glaze over in a very non-seeing way and he freezes.

In the ridden photos, I don't think that this is the same. He felt totally OK, though processing hard. I got the feeling that he really was enjoying the himself in the movement, so I was surprised to see this expression. His expression of not-OK-ness in movement is very different from that when he freezes up, and is more like a 'frightened rabbit' look. He actually felt stronger and more 'available' in his body than ever before - so maybe he was concentrating hard on what we were doing, as it was taking his all. He felt totally with me, and instantly responsive to tiny requests for more or less 'go'.

Dorothy

 

 

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 Posted: Sun Apr 18th, 2010 02:44 pm
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Dorothy, so maybe the riding pictures are reflecting the small amount of discomfort he has in his mouth, but did not reflect anything else.  I am glad you had a solid ride on him and he was trying so hard for you.  Maybe after the dental work is completed his expression will be different under saddle? 

The birdie explanation sure describes it though doesn't it? That going within.  I have a retired horse who is like that.  Those kinds of horses are the hardest for me.  I sure would rather deal with the ones that wear their emotions on their sleeves so to speak and you always can tell how they are feeling.  The ones that stuff it all inside for me take a lot  more to get through to, a really big challenge!

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Hello Kathy,

It will be interesting to see if his expression does change after his sharp tushes are burred off. The other thing that I am suspicious of with him is whether he has some discomfort in his stomach. He is an anxious type, particularly out hacking, and is pushed about a bit by the others in the herd, which he really does not like, and I am wondering if the chronic stress is causing excess acid production or even ulcers. However the yard and school where the course was is very familiar to him, and one of the places where he is most OK.

I am working on his OK-ness when riding out, and I have a very good Homoeopathic Vet, who is visiting this week to talk about it. For the last 2 weeks I have given him activated charcoal, which is definitely changing how his food is passing through him. I don't think that it is coincidental that he felt stronger on the course, something is different, but he still may well have some stomach discomfort.

Incidentally, his diet is grazing on mixed grass pasture, meadow hay, damped grass nuts, alfalfa nuts and a mixed grass chop, so should not be contributory to stomach issues.

I also have to smile as I am one of the worst about staring at my horse's head and neck while riding, and I am usually very aware of what his ears are doing, but I have no recollection of noticing his ears or head in this lesson, so I must have been looking up more!

Dorothy

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 Posted: Sun Apr 18th, 2010 05:36 pm
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Dorothy back to the originial topic, the base of the neck.  Your horse looks great in that area in all pictures but the standing one, so GOOD JOB!

Kathy

 


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