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 Posted: Thu Feb 11th, 2010 03:53 pm
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Adding a little to my first post, Buck in now getting some saddles made from a maker in Idaho, he rides saddles from both the maker in billings and this maker in idaho, this comes from Buck firsthand a couple months ago. The maker in idaho in now making a "buck Branaman" Saddle.

I was trained to make saddles in the shop in Sheridan, they did not and do not make Bucks saddles.

Just trying to inform you all of the true facts. 

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 Posted: Tue Oct 4th, 2011 03:37 am
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Thank you for the information on how to find a DVD to educate me on the proper fitting of saddle .

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 Posted: Wed Oct 5th, 2011 06:15 am
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I have no idea about the Queen, Clara, but indeed the saddle shop in Sheridan, Wyoming, is the only place in the world where the one and only, authentic "Wade" tree can be obtained. All others are just using the word, because the name was never trademarked or patented.

The real Wade tree saddle is that saddle that is ridden by Buck Brannaman, but also by Ray Hunt when he was alive. It would also be ridden by anyone else who does business with that particular saddlemaker, and no other. -- Dr. Deb

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 Posted: Thu Oct 6th, 2011 01:44 pm
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"but indeed the saddle shop in Sheridan, Wyoming, is the only place in the world where the one and only, authentic "Wade" tree can be obtained. All others are just using the word, because the name was never trademarked or patented.

The real Wade tree saddle is that saddle that is ridden by Buck Brannaman, but also by Ray Hunt when he was alive. It would also be ridden by anyone else who does business with that particular saddlemaker, and no other. -- Dr. Deb"


DrDeb; could you please send me a privite message with the information about the shop is sheridan if you do not want to put their name out here for the public to read. it must not be the shop I worked for. I must have been misinformed with my information and the sources I received my info from.  I will give you my sources where I got my info hear.

1-the hostory on the origin of the wade tree

Clifford Wade, whose family came west on the Oregon Trail, had a saddle, made by an unknown maker, that his dad brought with him from the east. Tom Dorrance, who lived in Wallowa County, Oregon, cowboyed with Clifford and admired Clifford’s livestock handling ability and the saddle Clifford rode that he had inherited from his dad.

According to Dale Harwood, noted Idaho saddle maker, in 1939, Tom Dorrance took Clifford’s saddle to Hamley & Company Saddle Shop in Pendleton, Oregon. He had a new saddle made on a saddle tree copied from the tree in Clifford’s old saddle.

In 1940, Tom Dorrance was not satisfied with the fit of this saddle. He went back to Hamley’s and worked with Walt Youngman, head tree maker at Hamley’s, and they made some modifications in the saddle tree.  At that time, Hamley’s made both saddle trees and saddles at their shop. Dorrance continued riding this improved saddle throughout his long career as the premier horse psychologist.

Hamley’s made more of these trees that Tom Dorrance and Walt Youngman had designed. They wanted to call them Dorrance trees, but Tom wanted the tree named after Clifford Wade from whom they had copied the original. Hamley & Company made a few saddles on the Wade trees. They were mostly scattered around northern Nevada, eastern Oregon, and southern Idaho, but had limited popularity.

In 1961, Dale Harwood opened a saddle shop in southern Idaho. Harwood had buckarooed on ranches all over northern Nevada and Oregon. He started making saddles for working buckaroos.


In 1962, Ray Hunt had Dale Harwood build him a saddle on a Wade tree. Harwood credits Ray Hunt with popularizing the Wade style of saddle by riding one in the many horse clinics Hunt conducted throughout the United States, Canada, and overseas.



2-buck brannaman, I saw buck last year and looked at the saddles he had with him, one was made by chas weldon of billings montana, and the other saddle he was riding was made by kent frecker of idaho falls, idaho. neither saddle was from a shop in sheridan.

3-ray hunt, I used to work for dale harwood and I personally along with John Visser, made the "ray hunt saddles' which ray hunt himself took on the road with him and sold at his clinics, all these were made on "wade"  acording to both dale harwood and ray hunt whom I assumed were authorities on the subject. The first ray hunt clinic I rode in was in 1987, his saddle was made by dale harwood, every time I saw since then, his saddle was made by dale harwood, according to ray hunt himself, they were all made on the REAL WADE TREE. 

4-the real wade tree, I cannot speak for all the tree makers out there, but I have seen a few of the orginal wade tree patterns in my time, by orginal I mean actual patterns that came from the hamleys tree shop, which is recongnized by almost all of the saddle and tree making community as the first shop to make the wade. I have seen the orginal patterns in dale harwoods shop, and in the shop of a tree maker that I use.

  So, please Dr. Deb can you inform me of who orginally designed the wade tree? what shop in sheridan is the only shop that makes a wade? whos saddle does buck ride? whos saddle did ray ride?

As I guess I have been misinformed and lied to, and my own eyes must have deceived me for the last 23 years that I have been building saddles.

thanks very much,

Steve Mason

http://www.stevemasonsaddles.com

if you would like to call me 403-615-4616

thanks for you time, I look forward to hearing from you and getting my facts straight.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 6th, 2011 05:25 pm
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In the 1942 Hamleys catalog they offer a wade, long before any shop that is currently in operation is sheridan was even around.

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Steve, thanks for the history lesson. You've been around the "Men" much more than dr deb, CH

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 Posted: Fri Oct 7th, 2011 06:57 pm
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Yes, guys, you're right here and I am wrong, wrong, wrong. So please accept my apologies, you and everybody else here; and accept "Saddlemaker's" history as being the true and accurate one.

The one point I do want to make though, emphatically, to everybody is this: where "Saddlemaker" says you can get a Wade tree is where you can get a saddle that has one. The problem is that, because the term was never trademarked or patented, quite a number of slimebags and wannabees are out there claiming that their saddle has a "Wade" tree. This is because people have heard about the Wade tree and the mere name then becomes a selling point.

And Clin -- I appreciate what you're trying to chime in on here, though, but I too was around Ray plenty. I saw his Dale Harwood saddles too, and I should have remembered about that. And it's Idaho not Wyoming. So I may be the absent-minded "perfesser" -- and I never have considered myself qualified to be a cowhand -- but nonetheless I think I was "around" about as much as anybody, when our teachers were alive.

Thanks to you both for the good information. -- Dr. Deb


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