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Dr. Deb, what is your beef with Clinician X?
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Billy
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 Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 05:55 pm
Dr. Deb

First off, I would like to say that you have wonderful information to teach the world, however, I do want to know what your beef is with XXXXXXXX

 

Billy

Billy, it is against the rules we have established here to mention any clinician's name other than those on our recommended list (see the main section of this Website under "Friends of the Institute"). The suggestion you received at the bottom of this thread from Helen, that you use the search function to look for references to 'natural' horsemanship, should answer your question adequately, but if you read those things and still wish to ask about it, then please feel free to write back. -- Dr. Deb

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 Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 07:36 pm
Would be a shorter response if you asked what she liked about him, I'd imagine.

Though I can't remember where the forum rules are listed, somewhere it says that any mention of folks not on the Friends of ESI list is not permitted on the forums. I'd imagine this thread will be deleted shortly.


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 Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 08:08 pm
Type "natural horsemanship" into the search... you should get some stuff about why she disagrees with the methods used under this heading, which includes the man mentioned.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 07:09 am
Well Dr. Deb

It's interesting that you can't mention  XXXXX's name here as you bash him at your presentations.  You are a disgusting, foul mouthed, sick woman and should I mention terribly unattractive.  Many people were disgusted with your lack of social awareness, foul language and unprofessionalism and will never return to hear your garbage again.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 10:13 am
Wow, way to lose all credibility there, Billy. Nice.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 10:41 am
Hello Billy,

Be honest with yourself when I ask you this question.

Is there any other reason you chose to visit this sight other than to to create hate and discontent?

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 Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 10:51 am
Billy,

What is it about yourself you so desperately do not like that you have to sling such insults at others?

Does this really make you feel better?

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 Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 12:31 pm
Well, if you were at the presentation this weekend and heard her refer to XXXX as an A..hole repeatedly, bash XXXX and XXXX, use profanity the entire time she speaks and have absolutely no social skills...you would understand.  People were talking at the breaks like they had never seen such unprofessionalism.  Trust me, it was a disgrace!!!

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 Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 12:39 pm
I was at your presentation this weekend and can certainly say that  over 40 years with horses and clinics I haven't been so thrilled with a presentation. The feeling was similar with most everyone I spoke with.  I feel sorry for the person who threw out hollow insults as it is obvious that he may have been present in person at the symposium but didn't not HEAR what was being said and gifted to everyone in attendance. His (her) horses will be the biggest losers in all of this. Thank you Dr. Deb. 

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 Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 12:42 pm
Again, that subset of gentlemen is not on the list of Friends of ESI, and for good reason frankly. I for one appreciate this site as a cool-aid free zone.

You're not going to accomplish anything here with that attitude Billy, if you actually have anything in mind to accomplish.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 06:09 pm
"What is it about yourself you so desperately do not like that you have to sling such insults at others?"

 

I'm not a phd.. lets ask Dr. Deb maybe she can answer

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 Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 06:53 pm
Billy and "Billy Backer" (are you the same person? I'm confused) it would be helpful if you could make it clearer for us what you are hoping to get out of this exchange. Do you want DD to come out and say "Oh my gosh, you're right, I've been unfairly targeting these people for all these years and you've changed my mind completely"? The method of your address suggests this isn't the case. Do you want her to come online and abuse the clinician mentioned so that you can go back to your friends and tell them all what a b*tch Deb Bennet is? Or are you actually wanting to hear the reasoning behind her disregard for these clinicians and their training methods, the reasoning which is part of why she has such a large number of keen students?

We literally cannot engage in discussion with you if you don't give us anything to engage with.

Peace,
Helen

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 Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 07:35 pm
The simple point of the thread was in the hope that Dr. Deb might read this and realize that foul language and name calling is highly unprofessional. My only regret is that I too stooped to such a level. I'm Sorry if I offended the regulars on this board, that was not my intent. It's a shame that sometimes the message gets lost in the delivery, I guess I learned something today myself.

From Dr. Deb: You did indeed, Billy. Good thing I have the power (which ordinary Forum readers do not) to XXX-out the names YOU have been naming. If you do not QUIT putting names here, I warn you that I also have the power to disable your access to this space.

As I point out in my reply to you below, at NO time during the public presentation did I ever say anyone's name out loud of whom I disapprove. It is you, Billy, who are supplying the names because you believe you know to whom I was referring. That's your best guess, and indeed, your guesses might be good ones. But as I say below -- really in fact, it does not matter to whom I might have been referring, because the "wannabees" and third-rate crowd are all alike. As to calling anybody an asshole, you and I both know that I said that to you in private. And the next thing I heard after speaking with you, was you repeating what I had said to you in private to your girlfriends. You prove by your action there, and also by your posts here, Billy, that you are both petty and untrustworhy -- you gossip, you insult, and you exaggerate in order to engender support, rather than sticking to the truth. In short, you act like a high school queen. And you miss the whole point: I am trying to help you. Go and read my longer reply to you below then, and see whether that might not also be of help to you. -- Dr. Deb

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 Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 07:57 pm
Every day I eagerly await my lunch break so that I can go online and read horse 'conversations' on this forum.  When Dr Deb visits our country each year I move heaven and earth to attend her lectures or clinics.  I could not wish for a better mentor.

Could we go back to 'horse talk' please?

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 Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 09:22 pm
Hi Billy- Several years ago I was given XX's "XXX training" tape. I didn't find it particularly helpful, but I didn't think poorly of him. However, the following year I saw him at a horse expo; he rode into the arena like a rock star and put his mare into a very tense piaffe while people applauded a performance that made me cringe. So when I learned he considered the Dorrance brothers and Ray Hunt to be some of his teachers, I - who had barely heard of those men here on East Coast- didn't bother to look into them. You know, I figured he must have taken the best those older gentlemen had to offer, so why search out their books for myself when I wasn't impressed with their student? Clearly, now, I see I couldn't have been more wrong. Yet, I doubt I'm the only person to have made this mistake. On a somewhat different note, sometimes a passion for the truth- and a frustration with teachers who abuse their position- makes me say some less than polite things about such teachers. Some years ago while innocently flipping through a book by a well known female clinician, I'm pretty sure I swore out loud in my local bookstore. The book was about how to "understand" a horse's personality based on its head shape! Apparently this woman forgot to include in her book, next to photos of horse's heads, the historical precedent for her methods-- Hitler's posters meant to educate people on how to classify Jews as inferior based on the shapes of their heads, to say nothing of phrenology's earlier use against black people. Yet among all the equine professionals who should have spoken up against this book, I heard no-one utter a peep but Dr. Deb.      As Helen said-- Peace- Elynne                        

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