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Avulsion fracture of stifle
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 Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 08:39 pm
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Hi everyone,

I am a newbie to this forum and am looking for some help. I have fallen for this gorgeous 14 month old warmblood filly. However, the PPE has shown that she has an avulsion fracture of her right stifle, likely due to some trauma she sustained as a youngster. The owner had Dr. Rantanen consulted and he is not recommending surgery at this time as there is no effusion, heat or lameness present and feels that the injury might be tolerated when in training.  The owner is willing to take 1500 off of the purchase price (11k) in case surgery is required down the road. Obviously my head says get out right now, but I have been looking for the past 6 months for my "dream" horse and she is the closest one thus far. This injury may never affect her, or it could likely show up when she goes into training. Any assistance/stories from others is really appreciated. Thanks!!



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 Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 09:11 pm
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I have to say, such an injury is highly unlikely NOT to affect her...she will already be adjusting her movement to deal with the compromise in her biodynamics, caused by the injury (even if she is not overtly 'lame', as would be indicated by the adverage equine veterinarian).

You will need to be very well versed in ensuring she gets correct developmental work (starting with ground work), to help her growing body to develop with minimal consequences. This can be complicated enough in a horse who does not have pre-indicated problems...

You really need to ask yourself if you are equipped to cope, and face the reality, of the strong possibility, of disappointment down the line. Does describing her as your  'dream horse' mean that you are viewing her as you wish her to be, or how she is in actuality?

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 Posted: Sat Aug 16th, 2008 11:30 pm
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Inuktik, "dreaming" while contemplating any purchase is not the mental and emotional place you want to be in. It is, however, exactly the place that the SELLER will want you to be in.

The part of the horse you should be focusing on is the part that is on the inside. And the part of yourself also. If the part of yourself that is on the inside makes the "right" connection with the part of the horse that is on the inside of him, then you have the greatest chance of having the sort of relationship with the horse that will be the PRIMARY factor that will allow him to "tolerate training".

You see, they all "tolerate training". No horse needs to be trained, at any time. They are, without exception, better movers when left to themselves than they will ever be when mounted. It is simply arrogant to think otherwise.

This is some of the harm that is done by the Olympic games. Ambition and the chance for a prize (as the Buddha said 2,500 years ago, and as repeated by every avatar recognized by every wisdom-tradition since) destroy peoples' ability to think straight and "feel straight". There is no empathy where there is ambition.

My advice to all purchasers is to pay for the pre-purchase exam and listen to what the vet tells you. But above and beyond this, you listen to your heart. But first make sure your heart is clean. When you put the horse's welfare ahead of your own, that is the first step in cleaning one's heart. When you go after riding as a way to explore what is possible -- apart from any training regimen -- that is another step. When competition no longer matters at all to you -- it may or may not occur, and its "levels", standards, and rewards are recognized for what they are, which is totally inferior the gifts the horse would give you himself if you would only permit him -- that is another important step. -- Dr. Deb


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 Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 01:41 am
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I totally agree with both the previous answers.  A friend bought a warmblood filly 12 months ago knowing that there was a metabolic issue stemming from being orphaned.  In the 12 months since she has spent nearly the purchase price again (8k) in trying to keep the filly well.  My friend is not emotionally equiped to handle the due care and attention needed.  She has done her best but it has taken its toll on her emotions, finances and family life.  This filly was her 'dream' horse that has turned into a nightmare.

Research the injury, google it, I just did a quick check and there is a lot out there that may help you make the right decision for you.

Here is a brief snippet that I copied from one human based site.

"An avulsion fracture is an injury to the bone in a place where a tendon or ligament attaches to the bone. When an avulsion fracture occurs, the tendon or ligament pulls off a piece of the bone."


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