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 Posted: Sun Oct 20th, 2019 09:39 pm
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...among other things.

Dr. Deb, I have my student's permission to post photos and ask for your advice on her 16yo TB gelding's feet. This horse is relatively new to her, she bought him in the spring. She is a new horse owner and I am trying to give her the best guidance I can regarding rehabbing this gelding.

This gelding has been losing shoes regularly since she bought him. This most recent episode happened last week when I was demonstrating something for her on a long line - the horse was a on a circle and I noticed he was winging his RF foot. Two circles and one upward transition to canter later and the shoe was gone, removed by nothing more than the torque on the foot when he pushed off it.

I have some concerns about the use of pads and how he is being shod. I see angle issues but realize he came with these so this is was not created by the current farrier. I also see poor hoof quality overall and have concerns about his white line. I am looking for some help from you so I can help my student get this horse's feet rehabbed.

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#4. Left fore, for comparison, as this one is still shod.

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Redmare, your query catches me out on the road....I'll be back in my office in a few days and will answer you then. Just didn't want you to think I had missed your post. Cheers -- Dr. Deb

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 Posted: Wed Oct 23rd, 2019 10:49 pm
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Hi Redmare and Dr Deb,

I hope it is alright to poke my nose in....I have checked out the pictures and there is a lot going on. My first thought is what is this horse eating? Check out the old thread on the digital cushion, as I think that is the one where Pauline Moore has a bit to say about diet and hoof quality. I might have the thread wrong I will see if I can find it. Adam Till and Pauline had an excellent thread a few years back where Adam marked up the hoof pictures so we could see what is going on--unfortunately some add for domain names or some such thing has taken over his excellent pictures.

Very glad the TB and his new owner have come to you so you can help.

Kind Regards Judy

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 Posted: Thu Oct 24th, 2019 03:47 pm
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I appreciate you bringing that thread back up, JTB - every time I go through it I pick up new pieces of information.

This gelding is fed a diet of grass hay (mostly first cut, he tends to keep easily) and a small amount of extruded feed twice a day, mostly to get his supplements into him. I admit I don't know what he is on right now - his owner has switched what he was on when she got him to a locally made product that (I think) it supposed to provide balance micro/macro nutrients based on what tends to be available in Vermont soils. Last I knew, she was having trouble getting him to actually eat it.

One of the things I know to be true about most of our state (I am helping another student with her mare's feet as well and she struggles with this) is that our soils tend towards being very high organic matter/clay, so as a rule there tends to be very little real stimulation for the hoof in terms of different surface areas. This also means we tend to have a lot of mud. It definitely wreaks havoc on the feet of horses who are being rehabbed in shoes.

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 Posted: Sat Oct 26th, 2019 07:28 pm
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Hi Redmare,

Funny isn't it how we read old threads and still pick up more information, when we thought we had it done and dusted!

I am wondering if anyone can remember a thread-- there were before and after shots of Ollie's hooves when he was trimmed? I might have it confused with Painty's before and after in the Orthopaedic disk but I am sure I am not making it up, perhaps someone can help me find it!

Ugh re mud. We all have our challenges when trying to keep hooves right. Have a great weekend.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 28th, 2019 08:51 pm
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Poking my nose in here too . . .
In my case I think it is my MIND that is done and dusted. I forget stuff. No matter how many times I read Dr. Deb's material over and over and over again, I always learn or relearn something. At the very least I will understand something more thoroughly. A little lightbulb comes on. And that is when I finally really remember it.

I am auditing Buck Brannaman this week. Same deal. After several years of watching and learning, I have some little lightbulbs going off and know that I finally am really getting some of what he is saying.

I remember the before and after Ollie feet pictures too. I'm thinking they were in an Equus magazine article a few years ago. Late 2014-2015ish.

We have mud too. Then it freezes. Double ugh.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 29th, 2019 04:06 pm
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Looking forward to Dr. Deb's reply - just putting it out there, Dr. Deb, that if I recall you are in California, so I am hoping you are not being affected by the devastating wildfires in various parts of the state.


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